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This is what is was; we all know this is what it was and Trump kept it going for YEARS. It bought him entry into the 'alt right'.
Here's the deal. Had he not been AA ~ it never WOULD HAVE BEEN QUESTIONED. He released his birth certificate once . . . oh, but that wasn't good enough for the racist birthers who were determined to push the issue that he was a Muslim born in Kenya. And they pushed it as hard as they could . . until NOW.
So, please explain when Trump went after Ted Cruz, a Canadian/American (dual citizenship) for the same thing?
Now if Trump had said "Obama, the black man or AA is not a citizen" then you'd have something to argue about. NOBODY of consequence ever mentioned HIS COLOR, only the people screaming "racist" have. I guess you're not supposed to question a black person EVER or be labeled a racist.
So, who exactly is the problem????
Obama is not white - he's mulatto - half white - half black.
No, Obama is black. Racial identity is self-reported, and he has always officially identified as black.
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Trump supporters aren't racist - you only profile the whole lot of them as such.
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No, we already know this isn't true; Trump's strongest support is among racist, uneducated white males, from the alt right and from the KKK, David Duke and similar hate groups.
In fact his keynote speech announcing his campaign was basically one giant appeal to racists- "Mexicans are rapists", "Ban the Muslims", etc. Trump would never even be the Republican candidate if he didn't run an explicit race-based campaign.
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Are you the same Bloomfield1 from Nairaland - the Nigerian social network? Maybe that explains your preconceptions.
I have no idea what this is, or what you're talking about. I guess now Obama is "the Kenyan" and I'm "the Nigerian"?
So, please explain when Trump went after Ted Cruz, a Canadian/American (dual citizenship) for the same thing?
A. He didn't hound Cruz on this for eight years; nor did he start a whole "birther" industry around Cruz, you made that up. He mentioned it like once and then dropped it.
B. It isn't the same thing; Ted Cruz is foreign-born, unlike Obama. Obviously not comparable.
C. It was stupid and bigoted to go after Cruz too. That was after Trump claimed that Cruz' dad was responsible for the Kennedy assassination, another Trump "gem".
Thank you "Informed Consent" for presenting the facts,....
the court disagrees with IC's interpretation of "natural born citizen". from ankeny v daniels:
"Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens†for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents."
also see pupura/moran v obama
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... not that the anti-Trumps know what to do with facts when they get them, ...
then i challenge you to point out anything in my posts that aren't factual.
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As we see yet again, no one using the word "racist" was not able to define the "word",...
actually i specifically pointed out that it's holding to a different standard based solely on race and gave examples to support my claim.
I could care less where Obama was born at this point in time, however, there is one glaring entry on his birth certificate that makes one wonder. Obama was born on Aug. 4th, 1961 in Hawaii, his race was entered as "African American". There was another birth certificate issued by the State of Hawaii to another African American born on Aug.7th, 1961, the race was entered as "Negro". The term African American wasn't really coined until the late 70's. So, yes, all this does is fuel the debate. However, it's all water under the bridge and it will die out like all the rest of them.
What does it make you wonder? Are you asserting that President Obama's official birth certificate is fake and that he was not born in the United States? It seems like nothing is ever enough to satisfy the racist birthers and your post is a prime example.
It's a stupid question, because A. Obama isn't white, B. Trump's supporters aren't racist against whites; they hate blacks, and C. No President in history except for Obama has been black, and no President in history received such wacky accusations.
But yes, IF Obama were white and IF a bunch of KKK wackos were claiming he were foreign-born, then I suppose the motivation wouldn't be racism, but just general hatred of foreigners. You could probably call it nativist idiocy instead of racist idiocy.
So you admit that calling the whole birther issue as racist is not true.
Gotcha.
And according to you, even blacks that like Trump hate blacks. Interesting.
You mean H. Clinton and her camp, correct? It was her who started the whole birther controversy back in 08.
wrong.
neither clinton or her campaign ever did anything to promote birtherism. there were clinton supporters ( the PUMAs plus phil berg ) who were among the early birthers but they were not connected to the campaign nor were they the first.
as for the recent reports of the clinton staffer forwarding a birther email and blumenthal sending a reporter to kenya.....:
the staffer email that patti doyle mentioned wasn't even a birther email, it made the claim that obama was muslim. it specifically stated that obama was born in HI. ( the staffer was fired for forwarding the email ).
as for blumenthal it has become his word against james asher on the topic but none of the email exchanges or account from the reporter in kenya support asher's claim.
Over the last 50 or so years the eligibility to serve as President due to place of birth has been questioned by Democrats three times for Republicans and once by Republicans for a Democrat.
actually the few legal challenges to mccain and cruz's eligibility came from republicans.
Because everything that the liberals disagree with the Republicans on is called racist. Throw the word right out the door as it's not used in it's proper context especially by those who are PC - but I think it makes them feel good about themselves meanwhile exhibiting the same bigoted distain for those that don't agree with them.
This is a absolutely not true. But, a nice way to sidestep a hard discussion of those issues...just say that the liberals scream racism every time they disagree with us, just because we disagree, and they all think alike..that is all it ever is, they just disagree with us..so move along, nothing to see here.
The birther issue drug on for so long even though there was absolutely no reason to suspect a foreign birth because that, along with questions about his loyalty based on his unusual name (questions which, in my experience, we're raised disproportionatelyy by those that were also in the birther crowd...and the he is going to take all our guns crowd, and the death panel crowd, and the no health care for those over seventy crowd, and the he is going to declare martial law at any minute now crowd, and the he is the anti-Christ crowd, and the blacks are going to take over crowd,and he is an ISIS sympathizer crowd, and so on and so on...I know people who have literally believed every single one of these stories as they came down the pike. And will believe the next one), emphasized the fact that his ethnic background differed from that of all previous occupants of 1610 Pennsylvania Avenue as well as many of the voters.
The people most responsible for the birther nonsense knew the truth, which it was a simple matter to ascertain (for one thing both Honolulu daily newspapers had carried his birth announcement). It, along with the aspersions based on his name, were simply nasty tactics to keep the matter of his ethnic "otherness" in the news and thus on the minds of a certain slice of the electorate.
Use common sense for a moment. If there had been a legitimate suspicion of his birth having had occurred outside the US his political opponents would have had valid legal grounds to sue and have his candidacy barred on the grounds that he was not a native born citizen, a constitutional requirement for the presidency, and they would have very quickly done so. The courts would not have had to impotently sit by and wait until Obama voluntarily turned his birth certificate over (do people really believe that our Constitution is that weak?), they would have ordered the State of Hawaii to supply a copy. Instead of gong to the courts, the logical and proper means of resolving such a serious matter, though, Trump and others spent years just playing the issue out in the media. The fact that they didn't resort to the courts to try to invalidate Obama's candidacy shows how little stock they placed in the goods they were selling. They knew better. It was just their way of pointing to him and shouting "Hey, look at him, he is different, and thus not really an American, not really one of us. Don't elect him President!"
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I guess you're not supposed to question a black person EVER or be labeled a racist.
