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Just like when right wingers and their minions made Obama out to be a socialist/communist?
I don't recall the right-wingers pretending to care who the Dems nominated though. RWers hated both Hillary and Obama. Left-wingers are pretending like they would respect a different Republican candidate. McCain and Romney prove that is not the case. Both of them are about as moderate and wishy-washy as Republicans come.
This has puzzled me, too, and even though I'm a Democrat, I feel sorry for Republicans and feel that it hurts the country when they put forward incompetent people.
My guess is, based on what I've read, that when the Republican party started to go off the rails - which a lot of experts attribute to Newt Gingrich (in the 1990s?) - it brought lesser people to the fore, people with less experience, people who were less realistic/rational, people less willing to face the necessary compromises of politics.
But that it has resulted in something as bad as Trump should, unfortunately, should be blamed on a scary bunch of voters with a predisposition to be narrow, bigoted, and bullying.
I don't completely disagree about Trump, McCain or Palin. However, try a little intellectual honesty. Obama has been a terrible president, and was hopelessly unqualified going in. Everyone knew that. Hillary has a history-it's just that it's all "bad" history. Perhaps the worst SS in history, incompetent, lying and corrupt. Dems didn't have ONE decent candidate even heading into the primary (with the exception of Jim Webb, and he dropped out after the first debate). Both candidates are horrible.
The right wing media has been trying to focus this election on national security again, circa 2004. It worked for them then, but won't work now. You can't run on a platform of keeping America safe when your nominee showed last Monday night that he is absolutely clueless on anything related to foreign policy.
Trump's lack of knowledge would have been more tolerable had he chosen someone with a military background as his running mate. Jim Webb would have made a great choice. Pence provides nothing useful to the ticket and does not hide Trump's flaws one bit.
Trump's lack of knowledge would have been more tolerable had he chosen someone with a military background as his running mate. Jim Webb would have made a great choice. Pence provides nothing useful to the ticket and does not hide Trump's flaws one bit.
So the Republicans should have nominated a Democrat stooge AND chosen a Democrat as the VP candidate? This advice from the left is so helpful. So charitable that they want to help the right win.
You know man, you are right. The republican party has put up some **** poor candidates , who often don't know how to say things correctly. Then again, Clinton isn't a shining candidate either.
However I find amusement when you say "they shouldn't be doing the thinking for you" because liberal progressive policy is based on just that, making decisions for people and controlling them, be it what they say, what they eat, what guns to own or not, what car to drive, how you draw and spend your retirement, what you keep out of your paycheck and so on and so on......
so c'mon man, don't be the pot that calls the kettle black...
I don't fit so neatly into your definition of a progressive. I am an economic progressive. I believe that minimum wage laws are just because as people struggle to feed their families they should be protected from those who would pay them virtually nothing. No one tells me what to drive or what to eat. I believe that the second amendment guarantees the right to own any gun that I can afford. The sixteenth amendment gives the federal government the right to tax us. I'm sure that the supporting laws include withholding.
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Just one more thing, I don't vote so I can make the president the most powerful person on Earth, I vote so the person elected will uphold our freedom so we can be empowered for ourselves.
Empowerment is a term that corporations use on the day that you get laid off. It also is a buzz word for something that you are going to lose. You may not vote to make someone the most powerful person on Earth, but that is the result anyway.
The right wing media has been trying to focus this election on national security again, circa 2004. It worked for them then, but won't work now. You can't run on a platform of keeping America safe when your nominee showed last Monday night that he is absolutely clueless on anything related to foreign policy.
How right you are. Do you remember how the threat indicators were broadcast every day? Does elevated orange ring a bell? Tactics such as those are not consistent within a free state.
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Trump's lack of knowledge would have been more tolerable had he chosen someone with a military background as his running mate. Jim Webb would have made a great choice. Pence provides nothing useful to the ticket and does not hide Trump's flaws one bit.
Jim Webb initially ran as a Democrat. I don't know why the media wouldn't give him the time of day. Perhaps it was his stance on the H-1b visa.
George W. Bush got us into the worst economic mess in decades. During the last few months of his presidency we were losing seven hundred thousand jobs a month. He couldn't even testify before Congress without Cheney's assistance.
McCain had the darling of the Tea party as his VP candidate. When interviewed Palin could not demonstrate a command of the issues. There was one report that she didn't even know what the Fed was. McCain was old and Palin would have been next in line.
Romney was another rich mans son. Usually the son's talent and drive don't match the father's. I won't however put him in the same class as Bush and Palin. We can trust that the middle class would not have done well with Romney.
Now we have Trump running. You Republicans must admit that his performance was **** poor the other night. He's nothing but a slick salesman with a couple of good ideas about trade but nothing more than that.
It's time for you to think about who you are making the most powerful person on Earth. FOX, Hannity, O'Reilly and Limbaugh shouldn't be doing your thinking for you. It's very important that you think for yourselves and do some independent research on these people who you choose to lead. The jury is no longer out on your poor choices for President and Vice President.
Not a republican, conservative or Trump supporter here:
1) The republicans can elect whoever they choose to. It's their business (although I also don't consider Trump a good choice).
2) The POTUS is not the most powerful man on earth. It's only an illusion.
3) Although I didn't vote for him, today I think Romney perhaps could have been a better president than Obama. His father being rich is absolutely irrelevant: "Usually the sons talent, etc..." is a bunch of total BS. You don't know what president Romney could be.
4) I am disappointed with Obama, even to his latest speech. After everything this country (and my city NY) went through, he advocates importing more Syrian refugees. I wouldn't say it loud, even if I thought like him. One must have a twisted mind to consider it seriously. He also urges further globalizartion and trade agreements, etc. I hoped he learned something in his 8 years in office. Apparently not much.
5) I also don't see democrats doing such a great job electing their candidates. Under slightly different circumstances, Bernie would had been nominated. It was't far. And before Obama, John Kerry and Edwards (remember him?) were the candidates. Think about it.
To me this is an issue that definitely goes both ways. "The lesser of the two evils" seems to be a recurring theme when it comes to presidential elections. If anything good comes about this election, it's that it has made it blatantly obvious what a sh!tshow our 2-party system has become.
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Hillary's competent?
