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Old 10-07-2016, 10:19 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Crime rates are at historic lows today despite millennials being the demographic most deprived of father figures. I suspect such a large number of our generation being raised by mothers alone has contributed to our low crime rate today.
So, Dads are a bad thing?

 
Old 10-07-2016, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvaia
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Crime rates are at historic lows today despite millennials being the demographic most deprived of father figures. I suspect such a large number of our generation being raised by mothers alone has contributed to our low crime rate today.
No the illegal drug trade has settled down, and is probably way more organized now. So it's really just a banned market than anything with inherit violence attached to it. People refuse to look at the economics of the drug trade in relation to crime. It's a big part of the decline in violent crimes. Drugs didn't go away, but a lot of the chaos in the drug trade did.
 
Old 10-07-2016, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Florida
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So, Dads are a bad thing?
I think it's a possibility, yeah. Fathers who are absent today were the drunk, abusive, ridiculing fathers of the pre-1970s world. It is better for a child to be raised by just the mother rather than be subjected to a bad father everyday.
 
Old 10-07-2016, 10:39 AM
 
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So which is best for a kid? Knowing dad will come home drunk and beat up all the kids a couple of times a month or knowing he cared so little for you, that he abandoned you?

In my case, I would have preferred the consistency of a periodic beating.
 
Old 10-07-2016, 11:29 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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The bolded sentence does not fit with the rest of your statement, which is quite reasonable.
No, it's not race. It's class, as almost all of so called racial issues are.
 
Old 10-07-2016, 11:43 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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Crime seems to be mostly based on age. The 18-25 male demographic seems to commit more than 80% of all crimes. After 25 there is a major dropping off point, and after 30 it's minuscule no matter what race someone is. There is just a heavy spike around this age group no matter what race. If it were about race, then we'd still see sustained high rates well after every black person has passed 50, but the crime rates among black people above 30 are pretty low.
This is 100% accurate. Furthermore, if it were about race then women would rate just as highly as men. 99% of people shot by police are males, yet we don't see "Male lives matter" protests, riots & looting. This reminds me of the people who said Philandro Castile, the Minnesota man shot by police. He was pulled over more than 50 times in the previous 13 years before his death. Many pointed to that as proof positive that the cops were profiling him because of his race. If that were true, every Black person in the neighborhood would have been pulled over somewhere around 50 times. I live in the same neighborhood Castile did. My nextdoor neighbor is a 74 y/o Black woman who drives every day. My wife is Black and drives every day. Neither has been pulled over once in those same 13 years. If being pulled over was based on nothing but skin color, how does one explain the blaring discrepancy?
 
Old 10-07-2016, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Crime rates are at historic lows today despite millennials being the demographic most deprived of father figures. I suspect such a large number of our generation being raised by mothers alone has contributed to our low crime rate today.


Considering crime stats show that our prisons are filled with bastards your suspicion is totally insane.
 
Old 10-07-2016, 11:51 AM
 
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There are only 13% of the Population that identifies as Black Americans at the last Census taken in 2010.
It has been documented that Black Americans commit 52% of ALL murders in the USA
It has been documented that Balck Americans commit 69% of ALL violent crimes in the USA

So, there is reason, the young Black Males are profiled worse than anyone in Muslim garb. They are statistically more dangerous to society.

This is not anything some White guy is going to point out without being called a racist and other derogatory names.

And there lies our problem. We as a country can not address this issue because of how delicate of a situation it is. Instead we try to blame guns, the NRA , the Police, atrocities that happened 200 years ago, Trump , Trump supporters, Oppression, Ted Nugent, Bush, NAFTA, TPP ,etc...


How can such a small segment of the population commit such a large percentage of our crime ? Now that being said, age does play a part as well. I'm willing to bet the majority of those crimes were committed by the 14-25 demographic. We see it in whites as well, how many of our mass shootings were committed by someone in that demo ?
 
Old 10-07-2016, 11:59 AM
 
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The fact is focusing on race does no damn good. We ain't gonna shoot or deport black citizens. As much as some people on this forum would like to.


What might do some good is recognizing our prisons are filled with bastards and start addressing how we reduce the bastardization rate.
Lack of family values is definitely a key factor. Regardless of any color.
 
Old 10-07-2016, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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The explanation is even simpler than that. There simply was no more money to be made dealing drugs. Sure you can make money dealing drugs, but no like you could in the 80s. Crack so hot hot demand, and it was the wild wild west trying to make money off this. Hence the spike in gun violence during this time. You didn't really have a main "guy" who dealt to everyone. You had some big players, don't get me wrong, but no one could really control the crack game. If you could get your hands on some coke, and you knew how to cook it, then you can have product out on the street in no time.

The main issue is that the first generation crackheads all died or reformed. Younger generations didn't really get involved in drugs because they saw what it did to the older generation. Crack really isn't a thing for younger people. Meth, ectasy, and heroin seem to be bigger among the younger crowd. So the wells dried up.

Also in terms of gang violence, many of the gang leaders actually ended up either going to prison or completely reforming. And most of them started to travel around the country talking to various gangs and many major cease fires happened as a result. This is probably the main reason why anyone who is in a gang now days just seem to be a group of young kids just causing mischief vs anything very organized. You really can't compare the People's Nation in Chicago today with any gang running around Chicago now. They're not even the same thing and don't even have the same leadership.

It's funny how people come up with all of these theories as to why crime went up, and why it went down. But they never take it to the source. They never take it to the streets where it was actually happening. The academic circles in America can be real idiots at times.
That is certainly another theory and it's been discussed by experts but like the other theories, none have been proved or disproved, unfortunately most theories regarding crime just provide anecdotal evidence. Another popular theory is that during the period when crime was going up gun ownership was increasing faster than at any other time, but that could be because people were acquiring guns because they were afraid of becoming victims too. You know, it might just turn out that it was just a fluke that crime dropped so precipitously, or that it was a combination of factors which just coincidentally all happened at the same time
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