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Old 07-29-2017, 07:17 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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Yes. We have 50% of the country not paying Fed income tax. They continue to vote for "free stuff" that the producers are forced to pay for, and down the rat hole we go, just like Europe.
As has been pointed out inumberable times, people who do not pay income tax do pay sales tax.
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Old 07-29-2017, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Under the republican form of government, endowed rights are not subject to taxation.
However, government privileges are subject to taxation.
Voting is a political liberty that is part of the democratic form of government, which requires consent of the governed.

So Americans have a choice, whether they know it or not -
1) Untaxed endowed rights under the RFOG, or
2) Taxed privileges under the DFOG.
. . .
(In case you weren't informed, this has been the law of the land since 1777.)
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Old 07-29-2017, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Houston
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In my opinion, no one who uses up more in tax dollars than they pay into the system should be allowed to vote. Only net contributors should be allowed to vote since it's their money that is getting spent. And someone who contributes a net of $100,000 to the tax revenue should have a vote that counts 10x as much as someone who contributes a net of $10,000. Wouldn't that be fair?
So you want top 1% to have more say than they already do? That's already a huge problem that needs to be addressed, not made worse by your proposal. Yeah no thanks!
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Old 07-29-2017, 08:15 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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The idea that everyone should have 1 vote is the most ridiculous idea ever concocted
Amen to the motion.....

The voting age should be raised to 23 and applicants should be tested for basic knowledge of government. A military ID circumvents everything else and should qualify the holder.
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Old 07-29-2017, 08:20 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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So who exactly will be left to vote? Will I, as a SAHM, be allowed to participate in the process? Or is that privilege given only to my husband, our family's primary earner? How about my retired mother, father, and grandfather (a veteran)?
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Old 07-29-2017, 08:24 AM
 
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In my opinion, no one who uses up more in tax dollars than they pay into the system should be allowed to vote. Only net contributors should be allowed to vote since it's their money that is getting spent. And someone who contributes a net of $100,000 to the tax revenue should have a vote that counts 10x as much as someone who contributes a net of $10,000. Wouldn't that be fair?
Why don't we just get it over with and appoint a king and let the richest 1% have full control?

There's this say, the hardest million to make is the first. That is 100% true. Once you have money it is infinitely easier to make money.
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Old 07-29-2017, 08:29 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Default The idea that everyone should have 1 vote is the most ridiculous idea ever concocted (Congress, legal)

Really? How many votes should each person get?
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Old 07-29-2017, 08:29 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic. Sell not liberty to purchase power."

-Benjamin Franklin
And that applies to people with many resources as well as those with few.

Last edited by randomparent; 07-29-2017 at 08:35 AM.. Reason: grammar
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Old 07-29-2017, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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In my opinion, no one who uses up more in tax dollars than they pay into the system should be allowed to vote. Only net contributors should be allowed to vote since it's their money that is getting spent. And someone who contributes a net of $100,000 to the tax revenue should have a vote that counts 10x as much as someone who contributes a net of $10,000. Wouldn't that be fair?
No. Everyone should get one vote as a vote is a voice of support for a particular candidate. That candidate may be for federal, state, or local office. If we use your idea of "people valued based on their money" scheme, we'd have to figure out what is funded by each of these levels of government to see who can vote for what, as saying someone cannot vote in a federal election becasue they qualify for state programs would be unfair.

Also, how exactly do you measure these things. Roads receive tax dollars. Do people with longer commutes to work have to potentially sacrifice a vote?

One person, one vote. We do not value people on their money alone. Or we shouldn't.
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Old 07-29-2017, 08:33 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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In my opinion, no one who uses up more in tax dollars than they pay into the system should be allowed to vote. Only net contributors should be allowed to vote since it's their money that is getting spent. And someone who contributes a net of $100,000 to the tax revenue should have a vote that counts 10x as much as someone who contributes a net of $10,000. Wouldn't that be fair?
Sounds like you want California and New York to control the USA (Electoral College).

Ain't gonna happen.
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