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Why must men rape at all. It's an issue from every walk of life and the common denominator isn't illegal immigration. It's men.
Wrong. Or else all nations would have about an equal percentage of rapes. You think rape is as likely in Japan or Austria as it is in Mexico or Afghanistan?
Calling this a 180 is almost giving it more credit that it deserves. You made a claim that liberals are making excuses for the crime, I say no one has, you say "not on this thread," then start talking about something else entirely.
For what it's worth, I strongly oppose open borders. The idea that open borders is a good thing is a policy of neoliberalism, which Clinton is and Donald Trump was a day before he announced his candidacy. Most of our presidents for the past few decades have been apart of this. As it turns out, accidentally allowing in immigrants is highly profitable. They're willing to do jobs Americans don't really want. The thing is, if they did those jobs, they'd have the power to unionize, assuming neoliberal politicians didn't set up unnecessary roadblocks. The unions can then demand better wages, hours, and overall conditions. CAn't do this is going public gets you deported. Policy like this is supported when corporate lobbyists can get away with things that I think most would say is undemocratic.
Now, the Democrats had a chance to elect someone who is anti-open borders and anti-lobbying, and he was generating massive crowds. But, the establishment within the party shut him down and he wasn't getting support because he was a socialist and decades of that being a de facto swear word resulted in the best option to actually change the political establishment we had. You don't have to agree with all of his policy to see that either. Free college is an absurd idea, in my mind. But, he was principled, experienced, and supported genuine democracy. Neither Trump nor Clinton are principles; Trump lacks experience and Clinton clearly doesn't care about real democarcy.
Preach to me about whatever. It's got nothing to do with your initial idiotic comment. Which is still idiotic seeing as it's gone undefended.
I agree with you on many points, especially about the almighty dollar and business interests for cheap labor and the bought and sold nature of our politics that the $ gets their wishes in this regard. As for "undefended" of my previous post, I've been posting on quite a few threads today and need time to live a life in between so sorry to disappoint you in my tardiness of a response. Frankly, sometimes I forget to come back to a thread now and then. So be it.
As for my "idiotic statement", the reality is many people are for various forms of open borders and/or amnesty as you know. And therefore, with such stance, many in that club put their ideological view over everything else and do indeed subscribe to the "well, there will always be a few bad one's, oh well, but as long as my end goal is reached, it doesn't much matter really." Civilian casualties of war so to speak type thinking. And we have that in hil and Johnson I think. And sanctuary cities. People get killed because of santuary cities? Eh, they say. Their actions speak louder than words because if the well being and safety of other legal citizens was truly their priority, they would end sanctuary cities tomorrow as we often do not know the background of those who are here illegally until one doesn't something bad. And the feds would crack down on them. But the agenda doesn't match. Money. Power. etc.
So again, you still have a right to your view on it all and call my statement "idiotic" but the reality is more people than you might realize believe in "casualties" of their world view as just part of the game. Therefore, I stand by my statement. And hopefully have clarified why I made it/expressed it in such a manner. And don't take it all so personal. It's my view and nothing more or less than you're view or anyone else's on such matters. Sounds like we have very similiar views on the matter in the end.
According to the Survey of Inmates of State Correctional Facilities by the U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics, the following statistics have been recorded concerning the characteristics of offenders who violate and assault children.
* Those inmates who were convicted of committing violent acts against children were more like to have been white, a percentage of nearly 70%, than any other race.
* White inmates were nearly three times more likely to have victimized a child than black inmates.
* About one in every seven Hispanic convicts had been convicted for a crime against a child.
* Nearly two-thirds of convicted child molesters and/or offenders were or had been married.
* Child molesters and offenders were more likely to have grown up in a two parent home and were more likely to have been molested as a child.
* Approximately 22% of child offenders reported having been sexually abused as a child.
It was likely taken from the 1991 survey of state prisoners by the DOJ statistician but as I posted earlier it was misleading and basically bogus. It didn't separate Hispanics from whites or take in to account that "whites" were 86% of the general population and focused on "sexual assault" and not the more serious rape convicts. When you separate whites and Hispanics and compare to the general population whites were lower than the other two groups sometimes by a factor of 2-3x.
It was likely taken from the 1991 survey of state prisoners by the DOJ statistician but as I posted earlier it was misleading and basically bogus. It didn't separate Hispanics from whites or take in to account that "whites" were 86% of the general population and focused on "sexual assault" and not the more serious rape convicts. When you separate whites and Hispanics and compare to the general population whites were lower than the other two groups sometimes by a factor of 2-3x.
Hopefully that poster was using data more recent than 25 years ago. I suspected it was old or he would have provided a link.
Hopefully that poster was using data more recent than 25 years ago. I suspected it was old or he would have provided a link.
Exactly and they use it because it was misleading to begin with despite it being an old rarely done survey. One could just look at the latest arrest records for rape and sexual assault and see whites are still underrepresented and the other groups are overrepresented and only when you lump white and Hispanic together you end up with ~70%, which still makes "whites" slightly under represented. Then they proclaim "'Whites' are most likely to be child molesters!" .
How about we let the criminologists do their job, let the judicial system do their job, families and communities do their part?...
how about Trump men wake the eff up and realize they, and men like them, are the problem.
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I've got a theory as to what would help the "war on drugs", drug trafficking, human trafficking, etc. Stop the demand for it. Stop finding substances and the exploitation of others to raise our state of consciousness. Sober up, roll up our sleeves, get to work, pay our bills, give to our communities and start helping each other.
I guess what I'm saying is that I'm responsible for getting a life worth living, one that is free of addiction, harming others, inconsideration, selfishness, dishonesty, greed, etc.
If we do things the right way, the whole world will benefit.
Trump wants to stop the bleeding. He doesn't want us to police the world. But as others have pointed out here, we've got plenty of work to do in our own household, our own neighborhood, etc.
We seem to have become a narcissistic society. We are impatient, intolerant, and in some cases, unhopeful.
But cheer up, things ain't so bad. The sun will rise tomorrow.
You are delusional. Trump wants to massage his ego and he's having you do it. Although, I do agree we are a narcissistic society and Trump is the poster boy.
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Wrong. Or else all nations would have about an equal percentage of rapes. You think rape is as likely in Japan or Austria as it is in Mexico or Afghanistan?
It's pretty high in Australia actually, although it has been decreasing. Either way, it's a bull shut argument that ending illegal immigration would eliminate rape. The only thing that would eliminate rape of women (not men of course) is the removal of men, which is obviously not an option. Although, it's quite clear that the misogyny of the Trump worldview entirely supports sexual assault.
And with that said as if repealthe19th doesn't exemplify the worldview
. Immigrants are people whom the United States chooses to admit to its territory. If the selection process were perfect, no criminals would be admitted and the immigrant crime rate would be zero. For immigrants to have even low crime rates reflects poorly on immigration policy. Illegal immigrants are, by definition, not even selected, and there are only partial data on illegal immigrants, the crimes they commit, and where they are from. The Department of Justice’s State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP) reimburses prisons and jails for the costs of holding illegal aliens. Prison systems must document the immigration status of inmates to get SCAAP payments—sanctuary jurisdictions choose to forego this subsidy. In a 2011 report, “Criminal Alien Statistics,” the Government Accountability Office studied the 249,000 illegal aliens for whom SCAAP funds were paid in 2009. It found that this group of aliens had been arrested a total of 1.7 million times— an average of roughly seven arrests per illegal alien inmate—and had been charged with 2.9 million separate offenses, or roughly 12 offenses each. All told, these criminal aliens accounted for the following numbers of arrests for the following crimes: Homicides: 25,064 Sex offenses: 69,929 Assaults: 213,047 GAO found that about 66 percent of the SCAAP criminal illegal aliens in state prisons were born in Mexico and another 17 percent were born in the Dominican Republic, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Cuba, or Jamaica. Local jail inmates were even more heavily Mexican. Seventy percent were born in Mexico, while another 13 percent were from other Latin American countries. The operating costs (prison staff salaries, medical care, food, utilities) of incarcerating these criminal illegal aliens in state prison systems totaled $7 billion for fiscal years 2003 through 2009. This figure obviously does not include the costs of incarcerating illegal aliens in sanctuary jurisdictions because those costs are unknown.
You post a pdf from a white supremacist group? Exhibit A of our domestic problems. And what an idiotic statement that even low crime rates of immigrants reflects a poor immigration policy. It's mind numbing.
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