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Hmm? I never said people believe theft is always ok...just that they believe it's okay if done by the state. They'll definitely say theft is wrong, but they don't apply that to taxation, eminent domain, etc....they actually support theft in those cases.
That's why I said in another post that I'm labeled an extremist sometimes. I don't believe in theft of any kind.
Well then why are you disagreeing with my statement.
Even in regards to your examples of taxes, eminent domain, etc., if you ask most Americans on the street if they want more taxes or if they want their homes taken by eminent domain, I'm sure a majority will say "no." However, many people do not consider taxes or eminent domain to be "theft" since you get something from them. One of my great grandmothers lost 2 homes due to eminent domain in particular and she was kind of happy about it since she held out longer than anyone and got nearly double the value of her home both times it happened.
Again, theft being "wrong" is a common, populist belief in this country. Just like rape being "wrong." These are not extreme views.
Now believing "taxes" are ALWAYS wrong or believing that eminent domain is ALWAYS wrong are extremist views and if you believe both of those, then yes, you are an extremist.
8. Obamacare- a disaster that republicans could not prevent
I'm not a fan of Obamacare either, but if memory serves, the original proposal was bashed apart by congress before it was passed.
9. increase the debt $10 trillion
The National Debt is not an easy thing to understand, and I don't claim to understand it. I do know however that there is a lot more to it than just saying the debt increased.
10. enflame racial hatred and tension in the US
Did he? Seems like an opinion to me.
11. appoint two radical Supreme Court justices
"Radical"? . Which ones? What makes them radical?
12. abandon traditional allies
Which ones and why?
13. expanded corruption and cronyism in the federal government
Sweeping statement, missing information.
The majority of "facts" on this list are nothing more than a bunch of opinions compiled together without context or sources.
Yes I do think men should not have to pay more for life insurance either. I think it should go by age and smokers/non-smokers only.
That does not reflect the different risk factors. The fact is, all other things being equal, males are more likely to die during the term of a life insurance policy.
Well then why are you disagreeing with my statement.
Even in regards to your examples of taxes, eminent domain, etc., if you ask most Americans on the street if they want more taxes or if they want their homes taken by eminent domain, I'm sure a majority will say "no." However, many people do not consider taxes or eminent domain to be "theft" since you get something from them. One of my great grandmothers lost 2 homes due to eminent domain in particular and she was kind of happy about it since she held out longer than anyone and got nearly double the value of her home both times it happened.
Again, theft being "wrong" is a common, populist belief in this country. Just like rape being "wrong." These are not extreme views.
Now believing "taxes" are ALWAYS wrong or believing that eminent domain is ALWAYS wrong are extremist views and if you believe both of those, then yes, you are an extremist.
I guess that's the key thing. Taxation and eminent domain are theft, even if people don't think of it that way. It's actually one of the most fundamental issues I see - people see something as wrong if they or some average citizen does it, but when the state does the same thing they put it in a totally different category...as if the fact that the government did it transforms a bad action into an acceptable one.
If I kicked you out of your house and took it for my own use, that would be theft. Even if I decided to pay you for it, it's still theft. Maybe you aren't that attached to the property, but if that's the case then we could have just come to a consensual agreement. The government just takes by force, regardless of whether you consent or not.
Your 401K doing pretty well has nothing to do with Mr Obama. All the Fed and the insanely accommodative policies for the banking industry. Bin Laden was on the way to a has been, having been shoved aside by 2010. It was matter of time for Bin Laden, but you are correct, he was found and killed in early May 2011.
You must live in Cleveland, Detroit or some other gutted rust belt city if you house is just now above water. More supply and demand then anything magical Mr Obama did.
$700 with how much deductible, co-pays, etc. High for an individual and if its a family, well you are not paying for it. Other tax payers are through your premium subsidies.
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Come on now, Bin Laden was killed on his watch, he bailed the banking industry out, he bailed the automotive industry out, my house value is starting to climb (almost above water now), my 401k has done pretty well, and my Health Care is only $700 a month.
So not all of it is negative...
I guess that's the key thing. Taxation and eminent domain are theft, even if people don't think of it that way. It's actually one of the most fundamental issues I see - people see something as wrong if they or some average citizen does it, but when the state does the same thing they put it in a totally different category...as if the fact that the government did it transforms a bad action into an acceptable one.
If I kicked you out of your house and took it for my own use, that would be theft. Even if I decided to pay you for it, it's still theft. Maybe you aren't that attached to the property, but if that's the case then we could have just come to a consensual agreement. The government just takes by force, regardless of whether you consent or not.
Yeah, you're probably right. Not going to bother anymore.
You never did bother in the first place. You didn't do anything except deny and deflect, just because you said. Never even challenged one thing. Just babbled in each and every post. Not even one attempt to prove the poster wrong. Not once. lol I'm embarrassed for you.
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. Which ones? What makes them radical?
