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Old 10-22-2016, 12:37 PM
 
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"Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs - NumbersUSA.com"

Now which candidate do you think is going to work hardest toward fixing us? HRC wants to dramatically raise the number of immigrants, Trump wants to rein it in. I will add that there are some good solutions offered in this video for helping the impoverished.
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Old 10-22-2016, 01:04 PM
 
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Neither--Because they are both heavily invested in the political/corporate construct that represents the class who utilizes that foreign labor. This is about corporatism as much as it is about politics, trying to separate the two for the sake of demonstrating the premise of all immigration being a negative, in a nation unable to offer employment for it's own citizens, is impossible.

Of all the ostensible reasons given for immigrants working here, the least is that which would address world poverty. Trump and the Clinton's have made their fortunes in the same American capitalist setup. The real power is not going to be Trump, nor Clinton, they are simply the face of power, and they, like all of our "leaders" will march to the tune played, and not their own...
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Old 10-22-2016, 01:22 PM
 
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Thumbs up Make America Great Again!

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"Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs - NumbersUSA.com"

Now which candidate do you think is going to work hardest toward fixing us? HRC wants to dramatically raise the number of immigrants, Trump wants to rein it in. I will add that there are some good solutions offered in this video for helping the impoverished.
The real issue the World does not want us to secure our borders and pull our manufacturing back to American shores. We have the talent and the facilities to Make America Great Again! We hould only imprort as needed instead of business as needed.

The Good People has dumped Millions of Dollars into countrie shave embezzed aid money. Tese countries do not respect the USA and think we are fools for letting this problem escalate!
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Old 10-22-2016, 01:33 PM
 
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We Cannot Fix The World So Lets Fix Us

Who is the "Us?" If you referring to Americans we are as much a part of the world's problem as any other country. The way the elitists see it the problem is overpopulation. Clinton is their candidate and when she is in office the depopulation will begin. It is expected that the Clinton will take us to war in her first year. Most likely this war will include major players like Russia. The is no fix.
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Old 10-22-2016, 01:34 PM
 
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Neither--Because they are both heavily invested in the political/corporate construct that represents the class who utilizes that foreign labor. This is about corporatism as much as it is about politics, trying to separate the two for the sake of demonstrating the premise of all immigration being a negative, in a nation unable to offer employment for it's own citizens, is impossible.
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It's about globalism vs conserving 1st world countries. The globalist believe in equality all right, that everyone no matter who and where should be equally poor.
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Old 10-22-2016, 01:37 PM
 
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Neither--Because they are both heavily invested in the political/corporate construct that represents the class who utilizes that foreign labor. This is about corporatism as much as it is about politics, trying to separate the two for the sake of demonstrating the premise of all immigration being a negative, in a nation unable to offer employment for it's own citizens, is impossible.

Of all the ostensible reasons given for immigrants working here, the least is that which would address world poverty. Trump and the Clinton's have made their fortunes in the same American capitalist setup. The real power is not going to be Trump, nor Clinton, they are simply the face of power, and they, like all of our "leaders" will march to the tune played, and not their own...
So screw it? Why vote, why waste your time, keep those immigrants coming and taking resources that could help Americans?
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Old 10-22-2016, 02:07 PM
 
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Default America should be first!

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It's about globalism vs conserving 1st world countries. The globalist believe in equality all right, that everyone no matter who and where should be equally poor.

This country was founded on the believe they did not wish to be like Europe and serve under any King. As a cpuntry we have always been ahead of the curve of thinking outside the box. This idea every county is equal is BS.

We have until rencently the leaders in manufacturing. There is no reason why American should Not Blend in. Those support these issues Like HRC


The smaller scale version like the EU is been a complete failure. Opens borders with the rush of Illegal Aliens hs cost EU Millions of Euros.

Not the course we should embrace!
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Old 10-22-2016, 02:12 PM
 
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You can not help others unless your own house is in order. Hillary will involve us in everyone else's problems while ignoring our country. What will she view as better, power in the U.S. or power throughout the world?
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Old 10-22-2016, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Now which candidate do you think is going to work hardest toward fixing us? HRC wants to dramatically raise the number of immigrants, Trump wants to rein it in. I will add that there are some good solutions offered in this video for helping the impoverished.
Importing religious, intolerant Muslims and allowing unfettered immigration of uneducated, illegal Mexicans who won't assimilate, learn English, and will breed prodigiously could be a death knell to America as we know it. I won't be here in a few decades to see the result of Obama's and Hillary's policies of open borders, but I can clearly see the results. ce la vie.

Immigrants built this country, but they wanted to come to America and be Americans, not recreate their homeland. A very different mindset than the immigrants today, a mindset fostered and applauded by the Democrats.

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Old 10-24-2016, 03:17 PM
 
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So screw it? Why vote, why waste your time, keep those immigrants coming and taking resources that could help Americans?
US labor history is replete with examples of violence against the laboring classes by the capital class, and most of that was sanctioned by government. Every presidential campaign has included promises to labor that were seldom, if ever, kept. It is reminiscent of Charlie Brown and the football, wherein Lucy pulls the ball away at the last moment, sending Charlie to the ground in a flurry of unrewarded effort. And, like labor, Charlie keeps falling for Lucy's promises.

I've been voting since 1963, I've seen both parties having control over a large part of our well being, and, to be honest, I can't say that I've seen very much improvement that could be attributable to either. US monetary policy is a much larger contributor to our labor woes than any influx of foreign labor, and way before we had Muslims acting out in the ME and long before we had illegal immigrants coming here to work, we had our own internal enemies who fought our every effort to organize ourselves in our own interest. Any working man who trusts a bellicose billionaire to "fix" his problems is truly delusional, it's nothing more than a different kind of "hope and change." Mr "T" didn't acquire his wealth by having a heart for labor..

Bill Clinton had labor's support, and then helped push NAFTA down our throats as our Christmas present in 1993. Hillary would do the same if it were to happen on her watch, why? Because it's all about power, and puppets. Pick your puppet and see who he/she ends up serving, (hint) it ain't us. Donald T said the, "system is rigged," and he should know, simply because he worked that system to his personal advantage for his entire life. I'd love to see a time when politicians, tell the truth, work for us, and not the big moneyed interests, quit making a career of "public service," and stop making war a business. I won't be holding my breath waiting for that day though....
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