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Old 10-25-2016, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by jimj View Post
Just looked at the ObamaCare website and for next year we've gone from 10 +/- companies to ONE choice of insurers.

The absolute bottom of the barrel policy went from $225 mo to $743 mo. THIS IS MORE THAN OUR MORTGAGE payment. The policy that she had this year, a silver policy went from $323 to $875 with a $6000 deductible.

Sorry, I'll go bankrupt if I have to before I'll pay it.
^ that horrible.

What state are you in?
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Old 10-25-2016, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The fix is simple, elect Trump and dump obamacare.. The simple way, and the only correct option..
He and Pence have jumped on it.

If Trump can manage to just stay focused and stop the crap, it's possible he could win in 2 weeks despite his own unprecedented conflicts of interest.

I am not voting for either nominee. If Trump wins, I look forward to him honoring his promise to " replace Obamacare with something wonderful that will take care of everybody and the government will pay for it".

If Hillary wins, I look forward to how she will fix it.
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Old 10-25-2016, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Democrats, liberals, left wingers, communists, socialists or whatever you want to call them deserve every second and every inch of this. The democratic voting blocks of millennials, single mothers on a budget and minorities need to get NAILED by this. I don't know how anyone can play dumb to this. Republicans have been fighting tooth and nail against this for YEARS. Why they receive NO credit for predicting this is unbelievable. They've said this 10 MILLION times for the last 7 years, this will NOT work it's unsustainable, we can't do it.

Damn near EVERY single GOP congressman, governor and/or presidential contender stood on the highest mountain and tried everything in their power to block this since 2009.

There is no "adjustment" or "tweaking" that can fix it. The only way this can work for a few more people is if we INCREASE subsidies. In reality it just needs to be scrapped completely. Democrats just need to own up to it already. It's a failed plan, the GOP WAS RIGHT. The market is already correcting it, and this is the outcome sky high unaffordable monthly payments, out of touch deductibles costing in the thousands and basement dweller plans that aren't good for anyone. HOW MANY TIMES DID WE HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS over the last 7 years????

The GOP told you that it could NOT be sustained and that in NO way was this "affordable." They tried to block it from every angle to the highest court and The Democratic sheep stood right behind this train wreck of a deal just because they thought it was "racist" for the GOP to fight it when in reality the math just didn't add up.

Democratic voters should be forced fed every single drop of this
Nearly 60 countries have Universal Healthcare, living, breathing legislation. Their Constitutions grant all the right to healthcare. Some have more than 100 years of experience. All ammend their healthcare systems each year and periodically reform it. All begin with the premise that everyone has insurance. All subsidize low/ no income people.

In contrast, the ACA is the first initiative in the world's third most populous country where most insurance is for profit and hospitals are not precluded from profit. There is no Constitutional right to healthcare.

All these other countries regulate wholesale and retail prescription medication prices.

Unless/ until you get to the root causes of the high cost of healthcare, nothing is going to change.
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Old 10-25-2016, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Make SURE you do not have an income tax refund coming. Then cancel your insurance and find a "major medical" (traditional) provider. They are still out there and are much more affordable than OC compliant plans. Don't pay the OC penalty on your taxes...they can only take it out of your refund (from what I have been told).

Another disaster brought to us courtesy the Democrat party.
What is this "major medical" ( traditional ) provider you speak of? How do these plans differ from ACA plans?
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Old 10-25-2016, 02:12 PM
 
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Looking a lot more like medical tourism is the answer.
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Old 10-25-2016, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Looking a lot more like medical tourism is the answer.
There has historically been more outbound medical tourism than inbound to the US.
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Old 10-25-2016, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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You were likely given bad information relative to preexisting conditions by the carriers, which at certain points during the rollout was common stuff. ( I went through this on behalf of a family friend who encountered challenges similar to your own.) if you were to shop for insurance for 2017, you would not encounter any delay.

It was an eye opening experience to compare and contrast the differences in premiums amongst the 13 regions within the state.
No, at the time that's what two agents from Blue Cross and one from *Aetna told me.

My understanding is that initially people could get private healthcare directly from the carrier, but those plans had an exclusionary period for pre-existing conditions.

Then last year, those companies providing healthcare through the marketplace no longer gave an option for individual plans. You couldn't go to BC or Aetna to get anything, they only offered private insurance through the marketplace.

Then this year, some of them began offering private insurance again, but at the same rates that you can find through the marketplace. It's no longer cheaper. It's this latest iteration that I have no information about with regard to pre-existing conditions, but my guess is that they no longer impose a period of exclusion since the cost is so high for premiums and they're simply mirroring what's on the marketplace.

*I think it was Aetna, but could have been something else.
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Old 10-25-2016, 02:30 PM
 
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WOW, unless there is another thread, the lefties are staying FAR away from this thread...I wonder why?
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Old 10-25-2016, 02:33 PM
 
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With the high amounts each month and the high deductibles before insurance kicks in, it would be cheaper for most if they didn't have insurance and just made payments to the doctors directly.
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Old 10-25-2016, 02:33 PM
 
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Trump is right...it's a complete disaster.

This is all that needs said. Next.
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