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Old 10-27-2016, 12:50 PM
 
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Oh please tell that to many people who have won millions playing the lottery and end up broke.
Millions??

Sorry to break it to you, but a few millions nowadays is not that much money. Trump's inheritance is estimated to be over $200 millions in today's value.

In the history of lottery winning, only one person who has won over a hundred millions (net winning adjusted for current value of money) has ever gone broke. It's the exception that proves the rule.

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Old 10-27-2016, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You talk about freedom, well what about economic freedom. Many of Trump's policies and plans spit in the face of economic freedom. He's a protectionist not a capitalist.
Do you want all other countries to take our jobs here? Should we just go bankrupt and be a service nation with no goods to make. We got our strength from working .

The wealthy bring in cheap skilled labor .. Didn't you even hear of the foreign workers who were trained by the people who had those jobs and given a pink slip .

Greed is killing us here. Better take a closer look.

The tax base is shrinking, Our debt is huge. We keep on this path we will have a one world government and a one monetary system because we will all be brought down to where all the other third world countries are .. poor.

Perot said it years ago.. We the American people will have to have our wages brought down to $6 an hour and Mexico brought up to $6 an hour for it to work.
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Old 10-27-2016, 01:01 PM
 
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If you believed in free markets, then you wouldn't support Trump. There is nothing he does that's consistent with fiscal responsibility or free markets.

Nobody supports capitalism and free markets in their neighborhood; some support Hillary and some support Trump.
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Old 10-27-2016, 01:01 PM
 
Location: The Mid-Cities
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I mean I can't see where Trump is conservative. I've looked over his rhetoric time and time again, and I'm not seeing anything conservative about his message. For one, he's anti free trade, which in turn is anti free market. Competition is what drives productivity, and to take away competition sucks. His job plan is bloated and doesn't work. For example enforcing tariffs on corps that want to move overseas is about as anti-capitalist as you can get. He also is trying to solve the problem using the same tactics that created it. The problem is that the cost of doing business in America is extremely high, and this has been caused by insane regulations over the years. Trump has not talked about addressing these regulations once, and probably never will. On top of that he seems to love the progressive system, and has no solutions in stopping it's abuses. He's not moving us any closer to liberty or economic freedom. As a matter of fact he's trying to sabotage and destroy our economy with more tax and spend keynesian policies that haven't worked for the last 100 years.
Even worse than that is wanting to subsidize segments of the economy that have no future and quite frankly shouldn't exist even now like coal mining. That's something that even Democrats haven't done before. I don't support it but I do see the logic why you would want to subsidize or give incentives to newer technologies or sources of energy that benefit our future or the environment, but taking steps back like that? I don't think so. That's a big government wasting our money on the past.
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Old 10-27-2016, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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I mean I can't see where Trump is conservative. I've looked over his rhetoric time and time again, and I'm not seeing anything conservative about his message. For one, he's anti free trade, which in turn is anti free market. Competition is what drives productivity, and to take away competition sucks. His job plan is bloated and doesn't work. For example enforcing tariffs on corps that want to move overseas is about as anti-capitalist as you can get. He also is trying to solve the problem using the same tactics that created it. The problem is that the cost of doing business in America is extremely high, and this has been caused by insane regulations over the years. Trump has not talked about addressing these regulations once, and probably never will. On top of that he seems to love the progressive system, and has no solutions in stopping it's abuses. He's not moving us any closer to liberty or economic freedom. As a matter of fact he's trying to sabotage and destroy our economy with more tax and spend keynesian policies that haven't worked for the last 100 years.
Considering I was the first post to agree with you on your free market thread, then you would know that answer is 'yes'.

Trump is not against trade, he's against us getting the raw end of the deal every single time. As for your synopsis of what you think he's for, you're dead wrong.
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Old 10-27-2016, 02:34 PM
 
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What a bunch of lies. Trump is very much for trade.. he wants FAIR trade deals. A big advocate for trade that doesn't give the shaft to the American people.

Democrats can not distinguish from free trade to globalism.. Globalism puts the world first not their own country.. free trade puts Americans first with a FAIR TRADE DEAL.

The liberal media tells them a bunch of lies and the come here and post craziness about Trump.. manipulation of the Hillary supporters. telling them lies and lies and lies. They love to confuse them with globalism and free trade.

I don't know what "trade" you're describing, but it is definitely NOT free trade.

It's quite apparent that you don't know what "free trade" is, so here is the definition to help you out.

Free Trade Definition | Investopedia

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Free trade is the economic policy of not discriminating against imports from and exports to foreign jurisdictions.

Buyers and sellers from separate economies may voluntarily trade without the domestic government applying tariffs, quotas, subsidies or prohibitions on their goods and services. Free trade is the opposite of trade protectionism or economic isolationism.

I highlighted "Buyers and sellers from separate economies may voluntarily trade without the domestic government applying tariffs" because that is the very thing that Trump is proposing to do away with.

Trump's tariffs will cost Americans thousands, report says - May. 19, 2016

So basically my statement that trump is anti-free trade is 100% correct.

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Old 10-27-2016, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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No, we should be working to abolish the FED, and audit the FED. Secondly, as Ron Paul stated, we should be encouraging currency competition. Allow people to use whatever currency they want, instead of banning every other currency but the dollar. This is the main issue, people can't use Gold or other commodities, they have to use the us dollar. And that's a real problem. The key is that the FED should not even control the money supply. Trump is not against Keynesian economics clearly, because he's not going after the FED.
You can argue this all day long but the world is run by privately run central banks and that's not likely to change any time soon. These banks control the media and thus control what the people hear on their television or social media.. they're not going to be bringing up fractional reserve banking and they won't bring up auditing the fed unless someone makes a fuss about it... they'll distract you with junk like transgender bathrooms, confederate flags, and whatever the next trendy little distraction ends up being.

Best to try to change what you can change and not worry so much about things you're not likely to change or are out of your control, and I would count fractional reserve compound interest privately run banking as out of yours or my control to change. The oligarchs have pretty solid control of things and I don't see that changing, nor am I completely convinced we'd be better off without these people in place.. I'm not convinced people lower on the totem pole would do a better job running the world.. they'd be just as likely to mismanage their power and get us all killed...

I keep hearing mismanagement of the economy being brought up and the fact that people here still talk about paying down debt as if it's somehow possible to do that without imploding the economy shows they don't know how our monetary system works. We don't have social credit, United States Notes, or a credit based currency.. we have a debt based currency. What's propping the entire world up right now is we keep laundering each other's debt, combined with a little help from central banks.. I'm still waiting for a big piece of plaque to break off and cause the global credit system to have a heart attack. If they can sustain zero interest rates for an extended period of time though, they just might be able to drag this on for awhile...
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Old 10-27-2016, 10:34 PM
 
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You can't be a statist and a capitalist.

???
Of course you can.
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Old 10-27-2016, 11:29 PM
 
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So realy, economics and fiscal responsibility doesn't factor into your decision?

The problem is one of degree. Clinton is a rabid collectivist statist. Trump is a crony capitalist. Both are evil positions. If you look at the statism quotient, you are correct, Trump and Clinton are not that far apart. But America has imported a lot of socialists over the decades and no longer wants freedom. Let's face it, the vast majority of immigrants from Mexico and Central America wouldn't know Capitalism if it bit them on the azz. Even those from Europe and Asia largely come from statist economies. So we are literally going to vote our freedom away, because we prefer mediocrity and security over excellence and freedom. Our own citizens don't seem to care, and the immigrants we've allowed to come here are used to statism and tyranny and don't mind it at all if they can get free adult diapers and dentures when they get old and useless.


Were doomed, and we want it that way.
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