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Rubbish. Oil is a commonly available commodity that is not dependent on whether this pipeline goes through. Its price is determined on international markets which have little to do with the pipeline.
Oil is now priced almost entirely on the whims of the markets. There was little no difference in the supply of oil when it was near $150 a few years ago and when it was under $40 more recently.
We currently have a glut.
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And it's pretty telling how selfish you are acting by throwing a hissy fit when people whose lands are affected want to voice their concerns.
Yes, let's just run it nearer to the cities where people "want it".
I had refrained from commenting in this thread because my husband works in the O&G industry, albeit in a segment not directly related to oil transport and this pipeline issue. So whether this pipeline gets built or not has no direct bearing on me.
But it seems, in this contentious political season, some in the media are intentionally inflaming this already emotionally-charged issue with slanted coverage, and according to a local poster here, it is resulting in a type of mob violence, seemingly mostly perpetrated by outside agitators. And that is disturbing, especially in this day and age of fact distortion reaching wide audiences via social media and other mediums.
"Outside agitators" This is NONE of the business of Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota or any other state not involved.
I, myself, do not know much about this issue other than as a general public member. And neither do many posters here, it seems. I think we all need to take the emotion out of this, in order to better separate the wheat from the chaff. Already, there were several misinformed posters regarding the type of oil transported, the location of the pipes, and the direct effect on the drinking water supply.
I urge those with serious concerns to look closely at the science and statistical probabilities of the dangers posed by this pipeline versus current methods of transport, to better assess the validity of the claims and concerns of the protestors. And try to get your information for a wide variety of reputable sources, both pro and con, in order to make a better informed judgement.
And before anyone demonizes the use of fossil fuel and oil-related products, they should make sure they themselves are not consumers of such products in any way, shape or form.
I have no problem using oil. I support the continued use, investment and development of alternatives but until then, I have no problem with oil. I do have a problem with the government using eminent domain to benefit a private company over other citizens.
I have no problem using oil. I support the continued use, investment and development of alternatives but until then, I have no problem with oil. I do have a problem with the government using eminent domain to benefit a private company over other citizens.
In what way does that apply here? The land in question is NOT reservation property and is privately owned. The "protesters" are trespassing on private property, damaging privately (and publicly) owned equipment, and putting construction workers (not to mention those that benefit from the completion of the pipeline) out of work.
Casinos have (arguably) done far more harm than the pipeline, in terms of feeding the addiction of those with a gambling problem, let alone the number of drunks they put on the road every night. Should people that oppose them just trespass on their property, block the doors and keep the owners and employees from making a living because they don't like the impact?
I consider these "outside agitators". I doubt it is the out of state law enforcement officers responsible for the below, including the vandalization of the local's state capital building:
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I see a lot of local coverage of this because it is local to me. What's happening is there is a divide growing between actual Standing Sioux who live in the area and out of towners who come to show "support". The local sheriff's office has clearly stated that the vast majority of those who've been arrested are people from other states. They are escalating the violence (they even vandalized our capital building last night). From what we've seen here many of the locals want these people to leave as well. They're deteriorating the relationships these people have with their neighbors.
As far as well as not armed... quite a few have been armed. It's truly getting out of hand.
In what way does that apply here? The land in question is NOT reservation property and is privately owned. The "protesters" are trespassing on private property, damaging privately (and publicly) owned equipment, and putting construction workers (not to mention those that benefit from the completion of the pipeline) out of work.
Casinos have (arguably) done far more harm than the pipeline, in terms of feeding the addiction of those with a gambling problem, let alone the number of drunks they put on the road every night. Should people that oppose them just trespass on their property, block the doors and keep the owners and employees from making a living because they don't like the impact?
I consider these "outside agitators". I doubt it is the out of state law enforcement officers responsible for the below, including the vandalization of the local's state capital building:
I understand that you see this from only one side.
Cincinnati isn't know for its liberalism. There is a large number of people from many different viewpoints siding with the protesters.
From the fringe environmentalists to the furthest right that doesn't believe in the government's over reach to those who don't want to see their state resources wasted this way.
Meanwhile they caught protesters herding local ranchers animals. I believe that's not only trespassing but theft.
More than simple theft. That's harassing livestock at the least and rustling at the most. Both are serious charges but rustling...lol, here in NV, it's still on the books as a hanging offense. That's more symbolic than anything of course. However rustling stock is still a serious offense.
Sounds like some protesters were trying to make a symbolic/historical point of their own. As "payment" for crossing hunting grounds claimed by a tribe raiding parties would cut out a herd or scoop up bands of strays. Cattle and horses, both were prized. Stealing horses was considered the act of brave warriors. More animals taken, bigger the honor.
But those days are long over.
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