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Old 11-02-2016, 04:40 PM
 
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Corporations who provide "insurance" and "hospitalization" are overcharging
by leaps and bounds. They are abusing their place, feeding the ceos and
shareholders massive profits and bilking the government.

Let's face it, Obamacare doesn't work because it is a sellout to the insurance
companies and all the various ladder rings of duplication in the health system
chain of parasities. That is the only reason why Obamacare doesn't work..

I'm not talking about "single PAYER".

I'm talking about a public provider, the total elimination of the profit motive
in health care.. except for new technologies, and the doctors and nurses
who actually work to give us care.

No more greedy corporations who have done nothing but lie and lobby
that "competition" will bring down prices. That is a disgusting lie.
Competition is a farce and not only in health care.
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Old 11-02-2016, 04:46 PM
 
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I agree. You can't basically publically or collectively fund something that acts as a quasi private, free market for profit industry.
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Old 11-02-2016, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Obviously, the cheapest way to afford health care is patient pays physician.
Any imposition of middlemen, skimmers, underwriters, administrative staff, tax men, etc, just makes it more expensive.

Instead of government mismanaged healthcare, let's get government out of it entirely.
And
Instead of tax subsidy, grant tax immunity to any healthcare giver, so they don't have to pass their tax bills to their patients.
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Old 11-02-2016, 04:50 PM
 
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Yeah but if healthcare providers don't think healthcare insurance and Medicare/medicade are generous enough just way till they see how stingy the free market self pay would be.
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Old 11-02-2016, 04:53 PM
 
Location: USA
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Congratulations on advancing to paleo-conservatism.
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Old 11-02-2016, 04:58 PM
 
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Apparently some people's common sense filters don't turn all the way on.

Self pay sounds great for regular preventative care and colds, but when your family is financially destroyed because someone gets cancer, I'd say anyone who thinks that is a good system has a permanent "moron" filter turned on.
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Old 11-02-2016, 05:00 PM
 
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the problem is that competition has been reduced severely across the board. and part fo the problem is the lack of portability. some states have only one insurer. what needs to happen is a fostering of competition. if states want to provide a public option, thats fine, but the feds need to basically stay out of the insurance field except to foster competition.

its the same thing that happened with auto insurance can happen with health insurance as well. when auto insurance was opened up to all the states, the rate started falling substantially due to increased competition.
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Old 11-02-2016, 05:06 PM
 
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Apparently some people's common sense filters don't turn all the way on.

Self pay sounds great for regular preventative care and colds, but when your family is financially destroyed because someone gets cancer, I'd say anyone who thinks that is a good system has a permanent "moron" filter turned on.
But why are they or the insurer in a position to be so financial destroyed for so-called "catastrophic care" is the costs are too high to begin with. The healthcare system didn't do anything much for my dad. They milked his insurance and medicare as fast as they could and essentially euthanized him when he was no longer so profitable. They tried to do the same thing to my mother, but I basically had to nurse her back to health myself. And you could have catastrophic coverage and self pay/direct pay for routine.
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Old 11-02-2016, 05:06 PM
 
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[Common sense flag on]
Obviously, the cheapest way to afford health care is patient pays physician.
Any imposition of middlemen, skimmers, underwriters, administrative staff, tax men, etc, just makes it more expensive.

Instead of government mismanaged healthcare, let's get government out of it entirely.
And
Instead of tax subsidy, grant tax immunity to any healthcare giver, so they don't have to pass their tax bills to their patients.
The government is elected, we can use the government to enforce the laws
that will restrain and eliminate all the private interests that have raised costs
over the last 4 decades.

When the churches ran health care, they did so as non-profits.
They provided care for everyone who needed it. Alas, big corporations,
big banks and a corrupt government had resources the churches did not, they
took over health care like a mafia owning all the strippers and strip clubs
and liquor licenses and selling protection so you don't get mugged.

Don't pretend there is a solution without force. For-profit corporations
are never going to undercharge and turn down money. They must be
forced to do so by government.

Non-profit health care is the only solution, as a right of the citizen.
No more "insurance" scams, no more hundreds of millions for fat cats
living in McMansions and buying politicians who should be protecting
our interests instead of taking campaign contributions and becoming
millionaires themselves by selling us out.
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Old 11-02-2016, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Apparently some people's common sense filters don't turn all the way on.

Self pay sounds great for regular preventative care and colds, but when your family is financially destroyed because someone gets cancer, I'd say anyone who thinks that is a good system has a permanent "moron" filter turned on.
So why not allow catastrophic insurance policies? It's really no different than having life insurance.



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