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Old 11-03-2016, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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People eating excess food around others does not directly impact the health of other people, smoking around other people directly impacts the health of others. I am not interested in shaming anyone, as long as their actions do not impact me or children, I couldn't care less what they do. The problem with smoking is others become involuntary participants. Have at it if you want to chew tobacco. Drink to your heart's content. Smoke like a chimney stack in your own home where the only other occupants smoke also. But, smoking in public? Driving drunk? Nope. Not the same as someone who eats too much.

Good for your mother, not everyone is such a paragon of virtue.

Don't forget all of the paragons of virtue who shamed smokers, bet they all had the bodies of an Adonis.


It is no longer just about affecting someone else's health.....it is about MONEY.....healthcare money.


They pointed to smokers because of their healthcare costs raising everyone's premiums.


Now, the healthcare costs of the obese have surpassed those of smokers.....and they should get the same treatment as smokers.


Eat all of the chips, pizza, cake, candy, fat greasy foods you want.....just don't expect me to pay higher premiums to take care of you when you get sick.


Turn about fair play.
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Old 11-03-2016, 01:11 PM
 
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We are at each others throats because of money.

That's the shame of it.
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Old 11-03-2016, 01:11 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Don't forget all of the paragons of virtue who shamed smokers, bet they all had the bodies of an Adonis.

It is no longer just about affecting someone else's health.....it is about MONEY.....healthcare money.

They pointed to smokers because of their healthcare costs raising everyone's premiums.

Now, the healthcare costs of the obese have surpassed those of smokers.....and they should get the same treatment as smokers.

Eat all of the chips, pizza, cake, candy, fat greasy foods you want.....just don't expect me to pay higher premiums to take care of you when you get sick.

Turn about fair play.
I know you are purposefully refusing address the two big difference. 1) You can't just stop eating and specialists in addiction agree the best way to triumph over addiction is to totally avoid the trigger substance and 2) if a fat person is gorging themselves at a buffet everyone around them isn't forced to consume those items with them but if a smoker lights up everyone around them is forced to inhale the smoke/toxic substances also.

There really isn't an equivalency of substance that can be compared to addiction of food, unless there were addictions to water or air. If you aren't a person who has experienced addiction it is probably difficult for you to understand that it takes more than ordinary will power to overcome the hold it has over a person.

For the record, I agree shaming people is not helpful.
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Old 11-03-2016, 01:17 PM
 
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It is not a disease.

Obesity- with some exceptions of course- is the result of consistently taking in more calories than expending.

Most likely it is the result of the pleasure culture that is the USA. We drive everywhere and have convenience stores nearly everywhere. Junk food abounds.

Eating better and exercising generally alleviates getting fat. It's all about choices. Calling it a disease gives people an excuse to do nothing but eat even more.

I know plenty of fat people and so do you. They invariably eat crap all day long and never see a gym, let alone walk to a mailbox. Then they make pathetic excuses for their sloth lifestyle.

No excuses here ! I'll finish off my 8 hours of sitting in a cubicle , go home, tinker in the garage on my snowmobiles for a few hours, walk the dogs, and then sit down to a glass or two of bourbon and a cigar.


Calories taken in today= a lot


bowl of grits for breakfast
chicken wrap and cup of chicken noodle soup for lunch
bowl of home made sheppards pie for dinner.
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Old 11-03-2016, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I have a 23" waist, I would not be surprised if my sister's waist was double that. My medical costs over any one year the last 12 years probably is more than has been spent her entire 60+ years. I have a very hard time keeping weight on, a person's weight isn't always a choice.
There are always exceptions.

That 75% of us are overweight- obese cannot however be attributed to thyroid, metabolism, medications, muscle or big bones.

The percentage of us who are overweight has remained fairly constant over the past 55 years. The percentage who are obese began to soar in the early 80's. 0besity is defined as weighing 20% or more over an ideal weight. That's just 27 pounds on someone who should weigh 135 pounds.

The Southern states and Midwest have the highest rate of obesity. Mississippi and W Va have obesity rates > 35%. Only 7 states have rates less than 25%, Mass, Hawaii, Colorado, Vermont, Montana, Utah and California.

This link has a cool graphic that shows how the weight of the US people, by state, has changed, over time.

Again, I am not into fat shaming. My approach is all about reducing healthcare costs.
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Old 11-03-2016, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Why are people afraid to talk about obesity?

On a simple level, berating someone for their weight is not very polite.

On a larger level, we have abandoned the notion of personal responsibility in this country and thus now view obesity as a disease and thus no fault of the fat person.
A very curable disease.
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Old 11-03-2016, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I know you are purposefully refusing address the two big difference. 1) You can't just stop eating and specialists in addiction agree the best way to triumph over addiction is to totally avoid the trigger substance and 2) if a fat person is gorging themselves at a buffet everyone around them isn't forced to consume those items with them but if a smoker lights up everyone around them is forced to inhale the smoke/toxic substances also.

There really isn't an equivalency of substance that can be compared to addiction of food, unless there were addictions to water or air. If you aren't a person who has experienced addiction it is probably difficult for you to understand that it takes more than ordinary will power to overcome the hold it has over a person.

For the record, I agree shaming people is not helpful.

I do know that I do not have the willpower of my mother.


I cannot buy cookies and eat just one or eat half of a donut.


My solution.....I don't buy them, I don't have them in the house, period.


When I go to the store I do not buy things I know I will gorge myself on....I only buy "healthy" things that aren't that tempting.


I do, however, cheat. When I go to the store once every two weeks or so I will buy one donut or one candy bar or one slice of cake, and once in a blue moon a bag of circus peanuts, etc. LOL
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Old 11-03-2016, 01:42 PM
 
Location: London
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No excuses here ! I'll finish off my 8 hours of sitting in a cubicle , go home, tinker in the garage on my snowmobiles for a few hours, walk the dogs, and then sit down to a glass or two of bourbon and a cigar.


Calories taken in today= a lot


bowl of grits for breakfast
chicken wrap and cup of chicken noodle soup for lunch
bowl of home made sheppards pie for dinner.
You eat like a bird!

Let's see my diet yesterday...

Breakfast - Carton of chicken pad thai
Brunch - salt and vinegar crisps
Lunch - Indian food (veggie biryani + samosas)
Snack - Kale chips and kamala olives
Dinner #1 - Panda Express
Dinner #2 - Wild salmon with white rice and kimchi
Snack - heaps of pumpkin seeds and sesame seeds

Lifestyle wise, I'm similar to you minus the cigar lol.

If I tried to eat as lightly as diets recommend, I would feel like I'm dying. And I'm 5'11 and 120 lbs. For this reason I never judge people who struggle to lose weight. Though I do judge people for feeding their kids crap unnecessarily (assuming they can afford better foods). They don't know better yet, seize the opportunity to acclimate them to healthy foods only, I say!
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Old 11-03-2016, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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I'll never forget a guy I worked with 30 years ago. A young guy in perfect shape....a total health nut.

That by itself is great, but this guy felt the need to castigate just about everybody about anything he didn't approve of...weight, smoking, type of food he saw someone eating, anything. He pretty much sentenced all of us to an early death.

Then he had a bump come up on his neck and he was dead eight weeks later...at age 28.

Anytime I feel the urge to comment to random people on subjects that are none of my business, like their health...I think of that guy and keep my mouth shut.
Sounds as if he was here for that purpose!
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Old 11-03-2016, 02:01 PM
 
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The obesity rate together with the the surge in diabetes may have a single cause. In the early 1970's HFCS was first marketed by the Clinton Corn Processing Company. Since then both obesity and diabetes have grown exponentially and HFCS looks like the cause. The link is a study stating the HFCS is not like cane sugar and is also addictive.

Princeton University - A sweet problem: Princeton researchers find that high-fructose corn syrup prompts considerably more weight gain
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