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...it is hard to explain such a complex viewpoint in a few sentences. Suffice it to say - if you don't see a difference in society today .. a difference from how it was 30 or 40 years ago .. I probably can't make you understand....
It's really not all that complex. I was around 40 years ago and I can tell you how things have changed.
40 years ago white men ruled.
Men could beat their wives and kids and no one said boo about it. Kids came to school with whip marks and and broken arms. Women tried to hide black eyes with make-up. Lot of claims about stair mishaps.
Sexually assaults were usually shrugged off. Many children, girls and boys alike, were sexually assaulted on a regular basis. When I grew up, any woman who was raped was "just asking for it."
Oddly enough, carrying a wallet was not "just asking" to be robbed, but wearing a short skirt was just asking to be assaulted. Go figure.
Girls did not play sports. Women at West Point or Annapolis? Not a chance.
Married women could not get a credit cards in their own name and most women, married or not, could not get a bank loan without a male co-signer.
Women working full time earned fifty-nine cents to every dollar earned by men.
Help-wanted ads in newspapers were segregated into “Help wanted – women” and “Help wanted- men.” Pages of jobs ads which women could not even apply.
Lots of women were nurses and teachers as many fields didn't even consider female applicants for training or employment.
National Organization for Women (NOW) took it all the way to the Supreme Court to make it possible for a woman to hold any job for which she is qualified.
Women created battered women’s shelters and rape crisis hotlines to care for victims of sexual abuse and domestic violence. They created child care centers so women could work outside their homes.
Women health care professionals opened women’s clinics to provide birth control and family planning counseling.
Others will have to speak to the Black experience, but in general Blacks were treated worse than women. Lots of stories about being refused service, getting beat up, not being allowed to train for or apply for jobs, etc.
I can see why white men would want to go back to the good old days. They ruled the roost.
It's really not all that complex. I was around 40 years ago and I can tell you how things have changed.
40 years ago white men ruled.
Men could beat their wives and kids and no one said boo about it. Kids came to school with whip marks and and broken arms. Women tried to hide black eyes with make-up. Lot of claims about stair mishaps.
Sexually assaults were usually shrugged off. Many children, girls and boys alike, were sexually assaulted on a regular basis. When I grew up, any woman who was raped was "just asking for it."
Oddly enough, carrying a wallet was not "just asking" to be robbed, but wearing a short skirt was just asking to be assaulted. Go figure.
Girls did not play sports. Women at West Point or Annapolis? Not a chance.
Married women could not get a credit cards in their own name and most women, married or not, could not get a bank loan without a male co-signer.
Women working full time earned fifty-nine cents to every dollar earned by men.
Help-wanted ads in newspapers were segregated into “Help wanted – women” and “Help wanted- men.” Pages of jobs ads which women could not even apply.
Lots of women were nurses and teachers as many fields didn't even consider female applicants for training or employment.
National Organization for Women (NOW) took it all the way to the Supreme Court to make it possible for a woman to hold any job for which she is qualified.
Women created battered women’s shelters and rape crisis hotlines to care for victims of sexual abuse and domestic violence. They created child care centers so women could work outside their homes.
Women health care professionals opened women’s clinics to provide birth control and family planning counseling.
Others will have to speak to the Black experience, but in general Blacks were treated worse than women. Lots of stories about being refused service, getting beat up, not being allowed to train for or apply for jobs, etc.
I can see why white men would want to go back to the good old days. They ruled the roost.
I have yet to see true confidence from or in either party because nobody had called off the dogs yet
Again: The only obvious consequence of "calling off the dogs" is to prompt the opposing candidate to latch onto the original candidate having done so to make up some inane closing argument talking point about the original candidate. At this point in the election, you don't want to do anything that gives your opponent anything new to talk about.
So what you're saying here has no significance whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by McGowdog
When Donald or Hillary wins this thing, that person will thank the voters for their support and/or participation, then they will appeal to integrating with and reaching out to the other side. I'm sure most of us here won't do that, can't do that, aren't wired for that. Why do I say that? It's all I remember seeing since Nixon was in office.
Except that that's what many of my liberal friends and I have been saying since August: Highlighting the need to integrate and reach out to the other side, underscoring how that having done that on a number of occasions is what distinguishes our candidate from her opponent. Clinton is talking today about being a President of all Americans not just those who voted for her.
Perhaps your misperception stems from a misunderstanding about what reaching out to the other side means. It means the other side having a seat at the table to express their concerns, to constructively contribute to the crafting of the solutions. So much of the Republican MO in the last ten years has been obstructionism, so it would be natural for Trump supporters and Republicans to perceive that "reaching out" to them is kowtowing to rightist obstruction with impunity. That's not integrating. That's "I lost so make me feel better by doing what I want instead of what you were elected to do". That's what happened in 2008. It's what happened in 2012. And remarkably it didn't happen in 2000 or 2004, despite your claims to the contrary.
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Perhaps your misperception stems from a misunderstanding about what reaching out to the other side means. It means the other side having a seat at the table to express their concerns, to constructively contribute to the crafting of the solutions.
Exactly.
You are included in the discussion, your concerns are taken into consideration.
You don't get to call the shots.
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Originally Posted by bUU
So much of the Republican MO in the last ten years has been obstructionism, so it would be natural for Trump supporters and Republicans to perceive that "reaching out" to them is kowtowing to rightist obstruction with impunity. That's not integrating. That's "I lost so make me feel better by doing what I want instead of what you were elected to do".
A good example is this nonsense of refusing to vet a new Supreme Court Justice. Republicans are already announcing that not only are they not going to vet the current nominee, if Clinton wins, they are not going to vet any of her nominees for the next four or eight years, how ever long it takes..
This is not how sane people govern.
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Originally Posted by bUU
That's what happened in 2008. It's what happened in 2012. And remarkably it didn't happen in 2000 or 2004, despite your claims to the contrary.
Yep.
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The one sentence everyone has danced around: During that process, we reviewd all of the communications that were to or from Hillary Clinton while she was Secretary of State.
Team Hillary's "intent" in setting up the server most likely occurred prior to her taking office.
You are included in the discussion, your concerns are taken into consideration.
You don't get to call the shots.
A good example is this nonsense of refusing to vet a new Supreme Court Justice. Republicans are already announcing that not only are they not going to vet the current nominee, if Clinton wins, they are not going to vet any of her nominees for the next four or eight years, how ever long it takes..
This is not how folks govern.
Yep.
Did you send the same memo to Democrats? Reid is well known for obstructionism, for example. He wrote the handbook on it.
Republicans are not the only ones playing these kinds of games. Senate Democrats are engaging in the same political gamesmanship that they have been decrying. They just conveniently forget that when they criticize Republicans.
And here's something that affects us daily; again Dem obstructionism shows they don't care.
Did you send the same memo to Democrats? Reid is well known for obstructionism, for example. He wrote the handbook on it.
No, he certainly did not write the handbook on it.
Did he refuse to vet a Supreme Court nominee? Did he lead 60+ votes against any Republican legislation? Did he go tooth and toenail after Bush and Cheney for treason like Newt went after Clinton for a blow job?
It's really not all that complex. I was around 40 years ago and I can tell you how things have changed.
40 years ago white men ruled.
Men could beat their wives and kids and no one said boo about it. Kids came to school with whip marks and and broken arms. Women tried to hide black eyes with make-up. Lot of claims about stair mishaps.
Sexually assaults were usually shrugged off. Many children, girls and boys alike, were sexually assaulted on a regular basis. When I grew up, any woman who was raped was "just asking for it."
Oddly enough, carrying a wallet was not "just asking" to be robbed, but wearing a short skirt was just asking to be assaulted. Go figure.
Girls did not play sports. Women at West Point or Annapolis? Not a chance.
Married women could not get a credit cards in their own name and most women, married or not, could not get a bank loan without a male co-signer.
Women working full time earned fifty-nine cents to every dollar earned by men.
Help-wanted ads in newspapers were segregated into “Help wanted – women” and “Help wanted- men.” Pages of jobs ads which women could not even apply.
Lots of women were nurses and teachers as many fields didn't even consider female applicants for training or employment.
National Organization for Women (NOW) took it all the way to the Supreme Court to make it possible for a woman to hold any job for which she is qualified.
Women created battered women’s shelters and rape crisis hotlines to care for victims of sexual abuse and domestic violence. They created child care centers so women could work outside their homes.
Women health care professionals opened women’s clinics to provide birth control and family planning counseling.
Others will have to speak to the Black experience, but in general Blacks were treated worse than women. Lots of stories about being refused service, getting beat up, not being allowed to train for or apply for jobs, etc.
I can see why white men would want to go back to the good old days. They ruled the roost.
But I wouldn't want it on a bet.
And I damn sure don't want it for my daughters.
I realize a lot has changed over 40 years. All of what you listed can be said about societies of any other race. Western countries, which have been mostly white, have led the world in evolving towards supporting women's rights.
Would you want your daughters to live in a societies in the Middle East, Africa, or Latin America?
I'm not condoning how things were for women 50 years ago in the US. But this is a world wide issue and you making this about WHITE men, instead of men, is racist.
Has anyone noticed that Hillary talks of nothing else but Trump? My god, cankles sounds like a freaking loon and has NOT spoken about ANY of her so called "Accomplishments (There are none) Any time she opened her thunderous mouth any time in the last month.. Total freakin embarrasment
Hillary has been speaking only policy and when she has been out these past several days and would have only spoken policy for the duration of this election cycle if Trump stuck to the issues, but he isn't normal or very intelligent so he is unable to.
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Good boy!
