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That is utterly ridiculous. It is precisely the attitude that makes us conservatives wonder if the other side is even capable of reasonable thought.
Ridiculous?
The most vocal conservatives constantly complain about social programs like welfare, food stamps, disability, Medicaid, etc. The whole agenda of the Right is to greatly reduce the scope of government and return to the "good old days" before FDR and the New Deal.
Some poor people do. Others are victims of circumstance. Life is not the black and white affair you seek to make it. As far as social programs and big government socialism it is absolutely wrong to have a social safety net that runs assistance to the poor through the hands of rich one percent government bureaucrats in DC who take a cut, make six figures and retire early on a fat pension. That's the bottom line. Nobody is against caring for the needy. Republicans believe that is the rightful role of charities, not corrupt government toadies who get rich doing it.
Bureaucracy is a problem in all large organizations, including large corporations. There are just as many useless bureaucrats making six figures in the private sector.
Do you have a better way of running social programs? Perhaps we could have a national bake sale to pay for my impoverished grandma's open-heart surgery?
In all fairness, I think the modern Republican party is more like a Four-layer cake. you have all kinds
law-and-order conservative / Evangelical Christians / war hawks like John McCain / younger generation of Republicans who are more socially liberal
The party is divided. Your hardcore Republican parents only represent themselves and can only speak for themselves. My parents are registered Republicans, they don't believe all poor people deserve their fate, but some poor people only have themselves to blame.
I'd say Democratic party is more united, Republican party, not so much. If the party stays the way it is right now, it won't exist in the future. It is the sad fact.
Correct, conservatism is deeply divided. Not all are as extreme as my parents.
Do you have a better way of running social programs? Perhaps we could have a national bake sale to pay for my impoverished grandma's open-heart surgery?
yes, I do.
I have a combat vet friend who has only one arm. He works as a mechanic assistance. Did I say he only has one arm?
I have another combat vet who works for a local gas station. He suffers from severe PTSD, if he didn't take his meds on regular basis, he would be banging his head against a wall. (I saw him doing that once, it is not pretty.)
Both work. SOME (if not majority) welfare recipients should work at least 40 hours in order to get their welfare checks. They say illegals are doing jobs Americans refuse to do? Well, first of all, if these undesirable jobs really exist, then put these welfare recipients to work.
This way, we will have more money to pay for your impoverished grandma's open-heart surgery.
Have military securing the border, just like Marines guarding the embassy. Politicians have been telling us it is humanly impossible to secure the border, lol, i think not.
I went on facebook this morning. One post basically sounded like a threat. Something to the effect of "we can't be friends if you don't vote for Trump". I took it personal. To say the least, I won't be speaking to that person ever again.
I see this is still going. Thank you again for everyone's information and opinions.
Those asking specifics about my life, I understand how opposite my decision was. One poster commented that they agreed about the crappy election, and to do what you feel is right, don't look straight at the evils. Vote in a way that you know tonight, regardless of what happens, I can lay my head and go to bed without asking "What have I done?"
And about me being lower class. We budget just fine. We currently have NO assistance, thank you. We made the decision to not be those people, even though they changed the policies and we should be able to qualify, we are doing the best we can to insure we float without assistance. And I don't consider myself lazy when unfortunate circumstances along with my own stupidity caused my situation. We are moving up, slowly but surely. If someone wants to discuss topics about welfare, that is a topic I love debating. But not arguing about voting, that doesn't solve anything.
I wish it were a lie. But it isn't. My hardcore Republican parents believe that poor people deserve their fate because they are lazy and irresponsible. The base of the Republican Party has the same attitude. Listen to their rhetoric against social programs and "big government" and "socialism."
Mods, I provide this link not to drive the discussion off topic but from a real concern for another human being. Please take that into consideration before giving me the boot!
Thank you!.
Anyone who would threaten our friendship based on my vote was never my friend in the first place.
I had to delete some people in 2012 due to some racially motivated remarks. The elections definitely bring out the worst in many people. This is one reason I don't post anything political on facebook. It will start a storm.
The person who made that remark, I have to wonder how desperate said person is. I thought about this. There was a person I met who admitted that he loved talking about politics. He wanted to know who I supported and why. To me, that was none of his business. I tried to explain why I wouldn't support Trump. And I had to show him things that I've read. Basically, I had to prove things to him. And even then he would cast doubt on any sources. I could tell he wanted me to vote for Trump badly, as if he had some stake in it.
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