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Old 11-09-2016, 02:13 PM
 
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And when did progressives take over the education system?
is that it? that's all you have ?




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Old 11-09-2016, 02:13 PM
 
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And when did progressives take over the education system?
In the 1960s.

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"While students in the bottom quartile have shown slow but steady improvement since the 1960s, average test scores have nonetheless gone down, primarily because of the performance of those in the top quartile. This "highest cohort of achievers," Rudman writes, has shown "the greatest declines across a variety of subjects as well as across age-level groups." Analysts have also found "a substantial drop among those children in the middle range of achievement"

...The contrast was stark: schools that had "severely declining test scores" had "moved determinedly toward heterogeneous grouping" (that is, mixed students of differing ability levels in the same classes), while the "schools who have maintained good SAT scores" tended "to prefer homogeneous grouping [ability/skill-level grouping, aka tracking]."

If attaining educational excellence is this simple, why have these high-quality schools become so rare? The answer lies in the cultural ferment of the 1960s.

THE INCUBUS OF THE SIXTIES

In every conceivable fashion the reigning ethos of those times was hostile to excellence in education. Individual achievement fell under intense suspicion, as did attempts to maintain standards. Discriminating among students on the basis of ability or performance was branded "elitist." Educational gurus of the day called for essentially nonacademic schools, whose main purpose would be to build habits of social cooperation and equality rather than to train the mind."
The Other Crisis in American Education - The Atlantic

Much more at the link.
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:17 PM
 
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Go get some MdGuffy's Readers. Then we can talk about USA current public education
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Old 11-09-2016, 07:40 PM
 
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That in NO way addresses the problem I've raised. Try again:
..you're talking about a fraction of the population and we're in a thread about public schools that serve the entire population.

this is right along the lines of implying that the stock market is important to everyone's income because pension funds are invested there, when the the truth is that the vast majority of Americans derive the vast majority of their income from the vast majority of their lifetimes fromWORK, not from investing.

...but you will hit the repeat button on your fallacy of the importance of catering to wall street OVER and OVER and OVER again despite the fact that your diversion is completely transparent.
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Old 11-10-2016, 06:53 AM
 
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In the 1960s.

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The Other Crisis in American Education - The Atlantic

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The Atlantic might be the last bastion of journalism. they aren't without their moments, they have some wacky progressives that pop up from time to time, but Ive found more really solid really interesting articles there than just about anywhere.
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Old 11-10-2016, 07:03 AM
 
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They may have AP classes, but "general population" schools in suburban areas around New York City destroy those in suburban areas in Texas as a whole. All statistics point to that. There are maybe 4 good high schools in all of suburban Houston, there are dozens in the NYC metro area.
What percentage of the students at those schools are poor immigrants with English as either a second language or with no English skills at all? What is the median income of the students at your school?

I'm guessing these things have never occurred to you which makes me question the type of education your school provides.
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Old 11-10-2016, 07:13 AM
 
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..you're talking about a fraction of the population and we're in a thread about public schools that serve the entire population.
Guess what? Those gifted kids ARE part of the entire population, and they attend public schools. And their educational needs are being completely ignored at the altar of progressives' and SJW's "social cooperation conditioning" and "equal outcomes."
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Old 11-10-2016, 07:22 AM
 
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..you're talking about a fraction of the population and we're in a thread about public schools that serve the entire population.

this is right along the lines of implying that the stock market is important to everyone's income because pension funds are invested there, when the the truth is that the vast majority of Americans derive the vast majority of their income from the vast majority of their lifetimes fromWORK, not from investing.
It IS. Do you thinkAmerican workers'/retirees' $27 Trillion in pension/retirement account investments is a trivial amount? Do you think those investments don't matter to them? Eliminate those investments. Wipe them out. See what happens to American workers and retirees as a result...

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...but you will hit the repeat button on your fallacy of the importance of catering to wall street OVER and OVER and OVER again despite the fact that your diversion is completely transparent.
Catering to Wall Street? How is appropriately educating gifted students "catering to Wall Street?"

How is American workers and retirees investing $27 Trillion in their pension/retirement accounts "catering to Wall Street?"

Please... tell us how their retirements get funded without those investments... If there's an alternate available, explain it, including the rate of return.
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Old 11-10-2016, 07:51 AM
 
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Public schools are state government, nothing to do with federal
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Old 11-10-2016, 07:57 AM
 
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https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com...ory/education/ Ummhuh and present system has worked soooo well ever since the Department of Non-education was set up under that genius of a POTUS non other than...ta da ta da. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...t_of_Education
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