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Old 11-10-2016, 09:05 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Public schools are state government, nothing to do with federal
Absolutely incorrect. The Obama Admin sent a letter to every public school in the country telling them that they had to let anatomical males who happen to "feel" that they're a girl that day use girls' multiple occupancy open changing/locker/shower rooms, or lose their federal funding.

That means our country's MINOR school girls MUST unwillingly subject themselves to felony indecent exposure any time an anatomical male "claims" he feels like he's a girl.
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Old 11-10-2016, 09:38 AM
 
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The fracturing of this country's education system will continue with the GOP in control again. An attempt to privatize education has been going on in many states led by for profit corporations that also control much of the private prison lobby. Pat Toomey (R-PA) takes hundreds of thousands dollars from these companies and does their will.

Charter/Cyber schools have proven to provide bad results and hurts the funding of the actual schools. Who needs school though once the clean coal factories open amirite?
As you know or should know here in PA we spend on average about $16k per student annaully. Since about the 90's education spending has doubled and that is adjusted for inflation, testing has remained flat-lined. Even in the poorest districts spending exceeds the national average and would also exceed most major industrialized countries in the world. If PA were it's own country that $16K average would rank it among some of the smaller and wealthiest countries in the world like Switzerland and Luxembourg that have extraordinary education results.

The question for you given these facts, do you really think you are getting you are paying for?

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Old 11-10-2016, 09:47 AM
 
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Public schools are state government, nothing to do with federal
This depends on the state but most revenue for schools either comes from the state, local or both. The feds do provide funding, they subsidize the school lunches etc. The school or the state would be free to do what they want but the feds use that funding as a stick to bring them inline. They do this with a lot of things, there is no federal law the drinking age is 21. States are coerced into setting the age at 21 because the feds will hold hostage federal highway funds.
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Old 11-10-2016, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Yes let's return to the dark ages. Education and being cultured is overrated.
Don't Republicans want tax money to go to religious schools where intelligent design or creationism is taught, rather than evolution?
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Old 11-10-2016, 10:52 AM
 
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Absolutely incorrect. The Obama Admin sent a letter to every public school in the country telling them that they had to let anatomical males who happen to "feel" that they're a girl that day use girls' multiple occupancy open changing/locker/shower rooms, or lose their federal funding.

That means our country's MINOR school girls MUST unwillingly subject themselves to felony indecent exposure any time an anatomical male "claims" he feels like he's a girl.
The courts stopped that and will further hear the case later.

President Obama’s School Transgender Bathroom Policy Blocked by Federal Judge in Texas | KTLA

Being that it was simply an Obama's pen law it's not likely going to stand.
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Old 11-10-2016, 11:05 AM
 
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Don't Republicans want tax money to go to religious schools where intelligent design or creationism is taught, rather than evolution?
I would prefer that doesn't happen but those kids will be taught that no matter what school they attend. Better to allow a few go the wayside if it benefits the majority, in particular Catholic schools should not be left out of the loop. The have fantastic science programs.
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Old 11-10-2016, 11:10 AM
 
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Public schools are state government, nothing to do with federal
Then why does the federal Department of Education have a $70 billion budget?
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Old 11-10-2016, 11:43 AM
 
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The courts stopped that and will further hear the case later.

President Obama’s School Transgender Bathroom Policy Blocked by Federal Judge in Texas | KTLA

Being that it was simply an Obama's pen law it's not likely going to stand.
Good to know. Forcing minors to expose themselves or to be exposed to those with opposite gender genitalia in various stages of undress including complete nudity in school open locker and shower rooms was a significant concern among many parents I know.
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Old 11-10-2016, 03:16 PM
 
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Ohio Charter Schools are Public Schools. Charter Schools are public schools in EVERY state.

Here's what the Ohio Department of Education says:

Community schools, which are often called charter schools nationally and in other states, are public schools created in Ohio law; are independent of any school district; and are part of the state’s education program. Community schools are public schools of choice and are state and federally funded.
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Old 11-10-2016, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes FL and NH.
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Here in Connecticut, like many places, many parents pick where they reside based on the quality of the schools and the programs they offer. They elect people from that town/city to the Board of Education to represent their interests and desires for their children's education. Some towns have hefty taxes due in large part to the schools they decide to build, the teacher/student ratios they deem are desirable, and the curricular and extracurricular programs they want to see beyond what is required by state and federal requirements. In Connecticut this has resulted in some communities with high taxes by choice to support high-quality programs, some communities with high taxes by law to provide funding for the large number of students who need federally-mandated supports and programs and a third group of towns and cities that lie somewhere in the middle. The towns/cities that pay high taxes (and costs to acquire RE in those communities) do not want to have students receive vouchers in other communities and stress their resources and possibly adversely-affect the results of their educational programs thereby diminishing the perceived value of their community. They will vehemently fight any forced attempt to have students placed in their communities. Therefore, the middle communities often absorb the overflow of students who are moving out of the lowest-performing areas resulting in the families who value education and reside there moving to more expensive communities that value education. Since the passing of NCLB the result has been greater economic segregation and isolation of students in lower-performing districts as well as greater disparity in RE values among the different communities within a small geographic area based largely upon test results.

Unraveling the current structure through the use of open vouchers would have the greatest negative economic impact on areas with the highest household incomes and property values. IMHO, it is not likely to happen anytime soon as it would result in a large redistribution of wealth from the upper middle and wealthiest districts since it would make little sense for people to pay substantially more for property and taxes if they could get the same benefit living in a lower-cost community. It also would significantly reduce the influence of local citizens in the decision-making process for curricular and extracurricular decisions.

It's not a simple solution. One thing is clear to me, the emphasis on testing has not improved educational programs or helped to correct demographic problems. For those who say holding teachers accountable is the solution, spend some time in the schools and you will quickly realize that there are a number of variables that have a significant negative impact on educating a child that the teacher has zero control over such as absenteeism, lack of home support, mental health issues, neglect, abuse, unstable home environments, excessive changes in residency, as well low expectations by parents and societal messages.
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