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What is so wrong with stop and frisk? If it stops people from carrying drugs and illegal guns out of fear of being arrested if they do isn't that a good thing?
The Left thought they had it in the bag and they never factored in the Deplorables that turned out in force to make a stand against an anti American candidate.
I would like to think that our country is heading toward a place where breaking the law actually has consequences and where people are held responsible for their actions instead of passing the blame.
What's wrong with it is that criminals should be allowed to "express themselves." Criminals are people too. Their right to victimize others should not be infringed upon.
While I think you can say that about Trump's victory, I think that the Senate, House, governorship, and state legislature elections are close to a mandate.
The reality is that the Democratic party made headway in Congress, but continued to slip in governorships (now an astounding 34-15 2:1+ edge with North Carolina still pending) and slipped big in state legislatures. Democrats dropped one of their trifectas in Vermont and now only have full control in 6 states (maybe NC too though). Republicans lost Nevada, but picked up Iowa, Kentucky, Missouri, and New Hampshire (two of those being former Democratic trifecta states).
In the last 6 years, Iowa, Arkansas, Wisconsin, and New Hampshire all converted from Democratic trifecta states to Republican Trifecta states.
Republicans now control 33-16 house chambers and 35-14-1 senate chambers. Not only is this the highest composition of Republican chambers, house, and senates in history, but also just 6 years ago Democrats controlled near record numbers at 32-16-1 and 28-20-1.
Trump's win reflects a ground swell of party shift at local levels across the country more so than it reflects any electable qualities of Trump himself, and Republican legislators will take that as a mandate, especially at the state level.
It doesn't change the fact that he won, but let's not pretend that this means anything about what the where the country is, where our beliefs are, or what direction the country is headed.
Taken in context with Brexit, which it has to be, it certainly is a mandate for the West.
And where is the country?
And what are "our" beliefs? (I rightly calculate that we lost the "our" when the Left started the White privilege agitation and decided to burn down Ferguson, MO because a violent criminal who attacked a cop was shot - and then it later agitated toward and watched one of its members murder of five cops without making its movement flinch. So, keep your "our". It no longer exists).
And in what "direction" is this country headed?
Whatever your answers are, they are certainly less mandated now then the opposing view. Keep to your mantra, but repeating it to yourself won't make it true. You failed in the moral application of your agenda, and so the agenda failed. Live with it.
What have you got to hide, big Ed?, Why are you worried about stop and frisk? The only way anyone would ever be stopped and frisked would be is you look like a low life criminal.
No one who is dressed and acting appropriately will ever be stopped for no reason.
You are so going to love president Trump...
So I take it you'd be okay with the Feds having a knock & check policy on all gun owners... Doubt it.
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Originally Posted by ChrisC
What's wrong with it is that criminals should be allowed to "express themselves." Criminals are people too. Their right to victimize others should not be infringed upon.
Lol... now you choose to respond to my question about stop & frisk. You spent an entire thread ducking me and the question. When you're ready to have big boy conversations, you can let me know...
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Originally Posted by golgi1
Taken in context with Brexit, which it has to be, it certainly is a mandate for the West.
And where is the country?
And what are "our" beliefs? (I rightly calculate that we lost the "our" when the Left started the White privilege agitation and decided to burn down Ferguson, MO because a violent criminal who attacked a cop was shot - and then it later agitated toward and watched one of its members murder of five cops without making its movement flinch. So, keep your "our". It no longer exists).
And in what "direction" is this country headed?
Whatever your answers are, they are certainly less mandated now then the opposing view. Keep to your mantra, but repeating it to yourself won't make it true. You failed in the moral application of your agenda, and so the agenda failed. Live with it.
Trump had fewer raw votes than Romney, McCain, and GWB. Trump ran as Conservative a platform as any Republican since GHWB. This is as good a turnout as Republicans can expect. Even w/ Rubio, Cruz, or Rand Paul, you wouldn't have had a better turnout. Conservatives have a more devoted electorate, but your numbers are dwindling.
The Left's base just didn't turn out. They switch sides or pick another candidate. A different candidate would have had a different turnout. You can't say the same about Trump and Republicans.
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While I think you can say that about Trump's victory, I think that the Senate, House, governorship, and state legislature elections are close to a mandate.
The reality is that the Democratic party made headway in Congress, but continued to slip in governorships (now an astounding 34-15 2:1+ edge with North Carolina still pending) and slipped big in state legislatures. Democrats dropped one of their trifectas in Vermont and now only have full control in 6 states (maybe NC too though). Republicans lost Nevada, but picked up Iowa, Kentucky, Missouri, and New Hampshire (two of those being former Democratic trifecta states).
In the last 6 years, Iowa, Arkansas, Wisconsin, and New Hampshire all converted from Democratic trifecta states to Republican Trifecta states.
Republicans now control 33-16 house chambers and 35-14-1 senate chambers. Not only is this the highest composition of Republican chambers, house, and senates in history, but also just 6 years ago Democrats controlled near record numbers at 32-16-1 and 28-20-1.
Trump's win reflects a ground swell of party shift at local levels across the country more so than it reflects any electable qualities of Trump himself, and Republican legislators will take that as a mandate, especially at the state level.
I think your argument stops at the governorship. Local legislatures and representatives reflect the views of the immediate population.
Once you get to the governorships, Senate races, and the presidency, the winners are a reflection of turnout.
If voting was mandatory in this country, you'd see more blue governors, Senators, and Presidents.
I don't care that Trump won. I'll be fine (unless he pushes nationwide stop & frisk) regardless of who the President is.
That said, Trump's win was not some mandate by voters against the Left or for the Right. A mandate require participation. Trump's win, if anything, was a meh-ndate. The Left's base didn't care enough to turn out. The Right had a lower turnout than when Romney, McCain, or GWB ran.
Yes, Trump won the vote, but it wasn't a platform that rallied new people to his or Conservative cause. It wasn't a platform that drew support from the masses. It wasn't even a platform that drew support from previous Republicans. But it did draw more support than Hillary's, so there's that.
It doesn't change the fact that he won, but let's not pretend that this means anything about what the where the country is, where our beliefs are, or what direction the country is headed.
Absolutely. There are 231 Million eligible voters, of which 59.9 voted Clinton and 59.7 for Trump. Roughly, 10 million voted for a third-party (or cast a blank ballot for president). However, the largest swath of the electorate, 100+Million people, completely abstained from voting in this election. I've said it before, that is the real story of this election...Not the 25% that voted for Trump, or the 25% that voted for Clinton. Nearly half of the electorate felt so divorced from the political system, they didn't vote for AT ALL. The media is paying attention to the happy-whooping of Trump supporters, or the angry protests of Clinton supporters. Meanwhile we, the people, watch and shrug.
If the powers that be keep ignoring reality, there won't be enough voters to fill a Walmart Grand Opening.
Absolutely. There are 231 Million eligible voters, of which 59.9 voted Clinton and 59.7 for Trump. Roughly, 10 million voted for a third-party (or cast a blank ballot for president). However, the largest swath of the electorate, 100+Million people, completely abstained from voting in this election. I've said it before, that is the real story of this election...Not the 25% that voted for Trump, or the 25% that voted for Clinton. Nearly half of the electorate felt so divorced from the political system, they didn't vote for AT ALL. The media is paying attention to the happy-whooping of Trump supporters, or the angry protests of Clinton supporters. Meanwhile we, the people, watch and shrug.
If the powers that be keep ignoring reality, there won't be enough voters to fill a Walmart Grand Opening.
I would like to see percentages of who voted in the battleground states versus who voted in the safe states. Living in Texas I have no real need to vote in the Presidential election. I knew Trump had Texas.
I don't care that Trump won. I'll be fine (unless he pushes nationwide stop & frisk) regardless of who the President is.
That said, Trump's win was not some mandate by voters against the Left or for the Right. A mandate require participation. Trump's win, if anything, was a meh-ndate. The Left's base didn't care enough to turn out. The Right had a lower turnout than when Romney, McCain, or GWB ran.
Yes, Trump won the vote, but it wasn't a platform that rallied new people to his or Conservative cause. It wasn't a platform that drew support from the masses. It wasn't even a platform that drew support from previous Republicans. But it did draw more support than Hillary's, so there's that.
It doesn't change the fact that he won, but let's not pretend that this means anything about what the where the country is, where our beliefs are, or what direction the country is headed.
Eddie,
As a Good person, let me ask:
What do you really want? Do you have a question?
I don't care that Trump won. I'll be fine (unless he pushes nationwide stop & frisk) regardless of who the President is.
That said, Trump's win was not some mandate by voters against the Left or for the Right. A mandate require participation. Trump's win, if anything, was a meh-ndate. The Left's base didn't care enough to turn out. The Right had a lower turnout than when Romney, McCain, or GWB ran.
Yes, Trump won the vote, but it wasn't a platform that rallied new people to his or Conservative cause. It wasn't a platform that drew support from the masses. It wasn't even a platform that drew support from previous Republicans. But it did draw more support than Hillary's, so there's that.
It doesn't change the fact that he won, but let's not pretend that this means anything about what the where the country is, where our beliefs are, or what direction the country is headed.
Obama campaigned for Hillary and sated "This election IS about our policies his"
The people have spoken and they do NOT like his policies.
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Doubt it.
