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Old 11-13-2016, 04:53 PM
 
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not that it is relevant to this thread but the refrigerant used in modern cars in r-134a. If you're putting in your car r-1234 (whatever that is), that could be a problem.

More to the point, who artificially raised gas prices to $4 a gallon? And what makes a fuel-efficient car "undrivable."

well, you can lift fuel efficiency standards on us automakers. And when someone buying a car wants something fuel efficient, he or she will look to honda or toyota. We've been down this road before.

lol
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Old 11-13-2016, 04:55 PM
 
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Here's a fact, your posts often are not useful and annoying .
So you were just venting your feelings. I thought so.
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Old 11-13-2016, 04:57 PM
 
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Not that it is relevant to this thread but the refrigerant used in modern cars in R-134A. If you're putting in your car R-1234 (whatever that is), that could be a problem.

More to the point, who artificially raised gas prices to $4 a gallon? And what makes a fuel-efficient car "undrivable."

Well, you can lift fuel efficiency standards on US automakers. And when someone buying a car wants something fuel efficient, he or she will look to Honda or Toyota. We've been down this road before.
You are incorrect. R-12 the best was replaced 20 years ago by somewhat crappy R-134a by mandate which is being replaced albeit slower than a global mandate by much crappier R-1234yf and tax credits are given for it. Why just say things that are patently untrue? Waste of time.

The relevancy is regulations, taxes and globally manipulating the market.

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Old 11-13-2016, 04:58 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Car manufacturers are asking President-elect Donald Trump to roll back fuel efficiency standards Obama mandated.



I see a deal. Trump agrees to this if they bring their car manufacturing back to the US. Is that logical from a financial standpoint? Would the automakers get enough savings out of the rollback for the deal to be feasible to them?

I also thought of something else. Why not tie the lowering of business taxes to businesses bringing jobs back from overseas? In other words, no tax decrease for your business/corporation unless your plants/factories come back to the US. Could he do that?


You mean the golden days of the HOTROD are going to make a little comeback?

Count me in!!
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Old 11-13-2016, 05:07 PM
 
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You mean the golden days of the HOTROD are going to make a little comeback?

Count me in!!
We're even bringing back cheap high octane leaded gas, baby . Kidding.
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Old 11-13-2016, 05:15 PM
 
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Both my husband and I have Japanese cars because we prefer them. Imported? No, I believe that while the corporation is in Japan, they are actually manufactured in the US employing US workers. And?
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Old 11-13-2016, 05:19 PM
 
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Car manufacturing "hasn't left the US" it's just more spread out to different states rather than concentrated in Detroit.

Why is the fedguv dictating fuel mpg, fuel type and emissions to begin with? That should all be stopped.
We really have a government car right now with all the mandates and all those mandates require expensive R&D.

As an aside there is a huge auto finance bubble waiting to burst.
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Old 11-13-2016, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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He's not going to mandate businesses to do anything, he's going to make it more cost beneficial for companies to do business in America, there's a reason so many brilliant companies are making products in different countries, he's gotta make it so they get more benefit out of staying. He's not going to give ultimatums, he will just make America more attractive for companies to want to manufacture products here, some will take advantage of that, some will not.
You assume that companies want to limit their business to the 5 % of the world's population.

Big time US manufacturers cannot survive by limiting the sale of their products to just 5 % of the world's population. It has made more sense for US manufacturers to operate plants in strategic locations throughout the world to avoid the international tariffs. Why would someone pay a substantial premium ( tariff) to import a Made in the USA product instead of buying the same product manufactured locally with no tariff?

Ford has had operations in Mexico and Europe for almost 100 years. European automakers have had operations in Mexico almost as long.

Boeing's future is dependent upon the pipeline of business from China. Tariffs are Bilateral. Slap a tariff on toasters from Chins, it comes back and bites the US because there is global competition.

The US has been challenged by global competition for more than 50 years.
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Old 11-13-2016, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Fiorina "Fury" 161
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You mean the golden days of the HOTROD are going to make a little comeback?

Count me in!!
Me too .
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Old 11-14-2016, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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He's not going to mandate businesses to do anything, he's going to make it more cost beneficial for companies to do business in America, there's a reason so many brilliant companies are making products in different countries, he's gotta make it so they get more benefit out of staying. He's not going to give ultimatums, he will just make America more attractive for companies to want to manufacture products here, some will take advantage of that, some will not.
I understand that. The problem with me is that I don't know the industry to know whether those 2 ideas I put forth are cost beneficia/appealing enough to make auto manufacturing come back. I don't know if the tax break is better for automakers than the cheap cost of doing business in Mexico. I don't know if the discontinuance of mileage standards is more alluring from a monetary perspective enough to make automakers come back. That's why I posed them as questions. Wasn't trying to be provocative. I truly don't know and was hoping you guys could tell me.

I appreciate the answers so far.

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