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Old 11-14-2016, 10:03 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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A good example of this is how we pay for social security and medicare, it's a flat rate across the board and does not increase when one's income increases. Meaning yes this looks like regressive taxation since the dollar amount is higher due to a lower income because of a %, but it's NOT regressive the way you stated
If you believe that, then you agree there's no impediment to charging a flat federal income tax in the US, no? Just have everyone pay a flat 10%.
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Old 11-14-2016, 10:04 AM
 
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If you're going to be ridiculous, I'm not going to respond.

Do you really believe progressives want to kill people? Government's intention is to suppress your rights? This country has survived over 200 years, it's going to keep going and not crash and burn, that's if you have faith in the system so many hold dear to their heart.
Again, this is a serious discussion. Yes, liberals are threatening people with violence to advance their agenda. How is that acceptable?

Please explain why your ideas can only be implemented through violence.
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Old 11-14-2016, 10:10 AM
 
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Apparently the people in social democracies are ok with it. Maybe when they discover the study they will push for a more progressive tax code.
Why would they change a system that's been working for decades, while here we are in the U.S. taxing progressively and can't afford to provide the same programs and services for our citizens?

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Either way, social democracy works well in the Scandinavian countries. It isn't an oppressive Soviet-style authoritarian regime like the Right claims.
The right? Who pushes for all the stifling regulations? Not the right.

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Would it work here in America? Are we Americans mature enough? I don't know.
I'm guessing it won't work because the left doesn't want to pay their way like those in Europe and Scandinavia do. They want someone else to pay.
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Old 11-14-2016, 10:17 AM
 
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Again, this is a serious discussion. Yes, liberals are threatening people with violence to advance their agenda. How is that acceptable?

Please explain why your ideas can only be implemented through violence.
Please give an example of "liberals" threatening people with violence to advance their agenda.
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Old 11-14-2016, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Progressivism is a philosophy based on the Idea of Progress, which asserts that advancement in science, technology, economic development, and social organization are vital to improve the human condition.
Limited strictly to this definition, Progressivism isn’t a bad thing at all.
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Taxes: Tax the rich more and lower everyone else's taxes
I have a better idea. How about taxing everyone less?
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Education: Free college education at public institutions
Number one reason education is ridiculously expensive: Government funding. There are nations in Europe who do offer free college. It may work for them. Here in the USA, we’re already $20 trillion in debt. If we want to offer free college, we need to balance our books and pay down the “credit cards†first.
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Healthcare: Universal Healthcare
Same problem as education with a different spin on things: Either the government or the insurance companies are paying for it, so Healthcare costs have skyrocketed by ridiculous proportions. Get the costs down first, then worry about instituting universal healthcare.
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Equality: Equality of pay for all Americans, civil rights, social justice regardless of background, sexual orientation, gender, religious faith.
Equal rights? Sure that’s fine and good. But sometimes in the pursuit of equal rights for group B, group A’s rights get trampled on. So be careful. But equal pay comes straight out of Karl Marx’s playbook. It didn’t work very well in the USSR, the People’s Republic of China, Cuba … pretty much anywhere it’s ever been tried.
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Old 11-14-2016, 10:36 AM
 
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Please give an example of "liberals" threatening people with violence to advance their agenda.
Are you somehow missing the current ongoing violent protest riots in which people are shot, injured, and property is damaged? Those aren't conservatives.
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Old 11-14-2016, 10:45 AM
 
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Why would they change a system that's been working for decades, while here we are in the U.S. taxing progressively and can't afford to provide the same programs and services for our citizens?

The right? Who pushes for all the stifling regulations? Not the right.

I'm guessing it won't work because the left doesn't want to pay their way like those in Europe and Scandinavia do. They want someone else to pay.
Red herrings.
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Old 11-14-2016, 10:49 AM
 
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Are you somehow missing the current ongoing violent protest riots in which people are shot, injured, and property is damaged? Those aren't conservatives.
Those people aren't politicians using violence to advance an agenda.

Those people don't have the power to advance anything. They're simply venting rage. No politician supports their actions, and neither do the vast majority of people with "liberal" or "progressive" views.
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Old 11-14-2016, 10:50 AM
 
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Red herrings.
All facts. If the left chooses to ignore those facts, they'll continue to lose elections. Fine with me.
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Old 11-14-2016, 10:55 AM
 
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Those people aren't politicians using violence to advance an agenda.
OK. Here's Obama:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYM6UjwwP90
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