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Old 11-15-2016, 10:52 PM
 
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Waiting to hear how increasing taxes, will make people spend more..
The higher the taxes, the more likely I am to spend more on the business which is tax deductable.

Additionally, those "taxes" dont magically disappear to be never seen again. They are spent. And that money? is spent again quite often. The HOW they are spent is important here. If its spent in ways that are respent more then the person taxed would have spent....

And when more spending occurs...incomes go up.

That help any?
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Old 11-16-2016, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Boilermaker Territory
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Try to explain to me how taking money from people, causes them to spend more..
Wealthy always have ways of avoiding paying taxes. The middle class is what drives consumer spending...
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Old 11-16-2016, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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Incorrect. Brownback compounded Kansas economic problems by going with failed economic ideas that resulted in job losses. Perhaps you should examine your backward economy and why you have so much less in the way of high skill and high wage jobs and the demand/need for immigrants at higher rates in other economic sectors? Or why educated residents keep fleeing the state for better opportunities elsewhere. Colorado economy is doing better than the Kansas economy. There are many reasons for that if you have any understanding of population demographics, in-migration of populations, and emerging economic clusters.
I said nothing about needing "immigrants". As far as I know, Kansas does not have that many immigrants coming in. What we have are illegal aliens who are multiplying like rabbits and sucking the teat of public assistance dry! They are ruining the schools because they can't speak English. I remember seeing parents trying to teach certain skills before the child could attend kindergarten and now these kids can't even speak the language! There aren't jobs for them here because so many unskilled jobs have become mechanized.

There are not jobs because they have been leaving the state for some time. The state was never heavily populated. Sebelius made it a requirement that insurance be a cadillac policies with lots of requirements when she was insurance commissioner. Private policies were 3 times what they were in NC where they were quite high.

Just the fact that you insist on calling illegal aliens "immigrants" means that attempting to have a civil conversation with you would not be possible.

The cost of living in KS is very low. If one understands the cost of living, it would certainly help them understand that in CO (drawing pot heads and homeless), wages will be high.

I am hoping that Kobach is chosen as member of Trump's staff as he has went hard against illegal aliens thus our requirement for photo ID in order to cast a vote.

I know a LOT of educated residents that aren't fleeing. I also am aware of many that left for higher wages only to realize that the cost of living made it impossible to live where they had moved.

I don't see the economics of KS as worse than many of the other states. Most of the hostility toward Kansas has to do with the religious right, especially abortion "rights" which stops the beating heart of another human being. I suspect that while Sebelius was governor, that is when the economy benefited from partial birth abortion, since most states were not promoting ending the life of a baby like that.

Conservative is good.
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Old 11-16-2016, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Boilermaker Territory
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Democrats better study American history and the election results of 2010, 2014, and 2016. Threads like this prove they are incapable of learning from their many mistakes.
Really? Try and debunk the Kansas economic failures using supply-side economics, implemented on a large scale at the state level.
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Old 11-16-2016, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Boilermaker Territory
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I said nothing about needing "immigrants". As far as I know, Kansas does not have that many immigrants coming in. What we have are illegal aliens who are multiplying like rabbits and sucking the teat of public assistance dry! They are ruining the schools because they can't speak English. I remember seeing parents trying to teach certain skills before the child could attend kindergarten and now these kids can't even speak the language! There aren't jobs for them here because so many unskilled jobs have become mechanized.

There are not jobs because they have been leaving the state for some time. The state was never heavily populated. Sebelius made it a requirement that insurance be a cadillac policies with lots of requirements when she was insurance commissioner. Private policies were 3 times what they were in NC where they were quite high.

Just the fact that you insist on calling illegal aliens "immigrants" means that attempting to have a civil conversation with you would not be possible.

The cost of living in KS is very low. If one understands the cost of living, it would certainly help them understand that in CO (drawing pot heads and homeless), wages will be high.

I am hoping that Kobach is chosen as member of Trump's staff as he has went hard against illegal aliens thus our requirement for photo ID in order to cast a vote.

I know a LOT of educated residents that aren't fleeing. I also am aware of many that left for higher wages only to realize that the cost of living made it impossible to live where they had moved.

I don't see the economics of KS as worse than many of the other states. Most of the hostility toward Kansas has to do with the religious right, especially abortion "rights" which stops the beating heart of another human being. I suspect that while Sebelius was governor, that is when the economy benefited from partial birth abortion, since most states were not promoting ending the life of a baby like that.

Conservative is good.
Wages are high in Colorado because the state has a far higher percentage of the population with a four year degree compared to Kansas. People go where jobs are, including immigrants- both legal and illegal. They aren't staying in Kansas if better opportunities exist elsewhere. The fact of the matter is Kansas wastes most of its tax dollars on corporate welfare that benefit suburban areas that don't need any subsidization. Meanwhile, the cities in the state continue to rot, certainly hurting people who are already of lower income as well as immigrants. The BLS data does indicate that Kansas lost jobs in percentage terms in the last year, one of the worst performances in the country. Maybe its time that you actually look at factual data instead of assuming you know what you are talking about?
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Old 11-16-2016, 10:17 AM
 
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Fantastic! Best news I heard since the election. Whoooopie! I'm Dancing!...........Wait a minute! I don't remember one specific job program Trump said he would start. Uh, would you mind naming one job program Trump said his is going to start? And I do mean, specific job program.
>>> He'd better get moving, he's been elected a week now already. Come to think of it, Obama better get moving on the same thing. He only has less than three months left.
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Old 11-16-2016, 10:28 AM
 
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The higher the taxes, the more likely I am to spend more on the business which is tax deductable.
If I'm spending more on business in order to reduce taxes, then I'm growing wealth, thereby increasing the wealth gap in the nation which you guys like to whine about so much..
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Additionally, those "taxes" dont magically disappear to be never seen again. They are spent. And that money? is spent again quite often. The HOW they are spent is important here. If its spent in ways that are respent more then the person taxed would have spent....

And when more spending occurs...incomes go up.

That help any?
Yes, much of it spent for things like welfare.. but if welfare stimulated more than jobs, (2.5 times as much per the Democratic argument when passing the Obama stimulus bill), then areas with high welfare would be booming economically..

They arent...

Democrats fail, at both education, and economics..
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Old 11-16-2016, 01:07 PM
 
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Fantastic! Best news I heard since the election. Whoooopie! I'm Dancing!...........Wait a minute! I don't remember one specific job program Trump said he would start. Uh, would you mind naming one job program Trump said his is going to start? And I do mean, specific job program.
Building a wall.
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Old 11-16-2016, 01:19 PM
 
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Trump will not learn. He picks Kobach and will likely choose Brownback for positions in his administration. Supply side economics and tax cuts have led to negative state level job growth. You can't cut everything to the bone and give the wealthiest a tax cut and expect prosperity. Trump wants to turn the Kansas experiment into a national experiment.


Let me see now.......after weeks where almost every poll picked Hillary to win and the media slobbered all over Hillary....TRump CRUSHES the election. And the Republicans control the House and the Senate!

Yet you feel that Trump will not learn. Well..... he learned one thing that career politician Hillary did not learn....Trump learned how to win an election.

Relax, Sparky, your President Elect Trump will do just fine.
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Old 11-16-2016, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Building a wall.
I don't think he's Gonna bus all those out of work people from the rust belt to the Texas, Arizona border and build housing for them. If history is any benchmark for the Donald, he will stay in character and outsource the labor to the Mexicans who will work for 1/3rd the cost of an American. Gotta keep the total tab for the wall below 25 billion, doncha know.

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