Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
View Poll Results: How important do you think is the issue of Climate Change?
Very important 80 31.62%
Somewhat important 27 10.67%
Not so important 30 11.86%
Unimportant 44 17.39%
The problem doesn't exist 70 27.67%
Other 2 0.79%
Voters: 253. You may not vote on this poll

Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 12-03-2016, 08:32 PM
 
34,620 posts, read 21,477,084 times
Reputation: 22232

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elliott_CA View Post
Why not? High tobacco taxes have worked very well to help curb cigarette use, dropping from about 45% of the population in the 1960's to about 14% today. In the same way a carbon tax can help break America's addiction to fossil fuels -- and it doesn't have to grow the government, other taxes can be lowered to make carbon taxes revenue neutral.

In many areas of the country cigarette use is not socially popular. People have accepted the well-grounded science that cigarettes cause premature death due to cancer or cardiovascular disease. Climate change is on the same path of acceptance by the public. A recent poll in Florida found that 66% of respondents agreed that global warming is a serious problem right here, right now. Floridians see the effects firsthand as seawater inundates Miami streets on sunny days, convincing those on the fence.

Other polls also show the climate change acceptance is gaining ground with the public. As the effects of global warming ramp up and become more obvious, climate denialism will fade in popularity and become a fringe movement. Who knows, in several years deniers might be forced to go stand outside alongside the smokers :-)
So, your plan is to make elecricty and gas too expensive for the poor and elderly.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-04-2016, 01:05 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
33,501 posts, read 37,011,343 times
Reputation: 13972
Quote:
Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
So, your plan is to make elecricty and gas too expensive for the poor and elderly.
That's not how the carbon tax works here in BC.....We have had this tax since 2008..

The B.C. low income climate action tax credit helps offset the impact of the carbon taxes paid by low income individuals or families.

Myth: The carbon tax is just a tax grab.
Fact: Every dollar raised by the carbon tax is returned to individuals and businesses through tax reductions. None of the carbon tax revenue is used to fund government spending.
Since it was first introduced in 2008, the carbon tax has returned $500 million more to taxpayers in tax reductions than it has raised in revenue.

Province of British Columbia

And it does reduce our carbon emissions..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...roduct_use.png
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-04-2016, 01:09 AM
 
2,842 posts, read 2,318,408 times
Reputation: 3386
The good news about climate change is that the non-believers will suffer the consequences along with the rest of us fairly soon. They'll come around when they are swimming to work with nothing to eat...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-04-2016, 07:25 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
78,866 posts, read 46,395,966 times
Reputation: 18520
Quote:
Originally Posted by Natural510 View Post
Now that the flat earth society has spoken...
What an idiotic thing to say, in an attempt to troll the thread.....
Yet, no attempt to refute, that the earth is still healing itself from a catastrophic event that caused an ICE AGE.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-04-2016, 07:27 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
78,866 posts, read 46,395,966 times
Reputation: 18520
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spot View Post
The good news about climate change is that the non-believers will suffer the consequences along with the rest of us fairly soon. They'll come around when they are swimming to work with nothing to eat...

Maybe you city slickers, living in your box...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-04-2016, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
2,339 posts, read 2,059,029 times
Reputation: 1650
So the fossil heads on this forum are citing climate data from creationists.

lol.

/thread.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-04-2016, 07:43 AM
 
24,361 posts, read 22,933,128 times
Reputation: 14938
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spot View Post
The good news about climate change is that the non-believers will suffer the consequences along with the rest of us fairly soon. They'll come around when they are swimming to work with nothing to eat...
>>>> Or we won't, unless you mean the consequences of being forced to abide by cockamamie climate laws that have zero effect on natural warming and cooling trends. I'll rent you a snow shovel when you're snowbound.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-04-2016, 07:51 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
78,866 posts, read 46,395,966 times
Reputation: 18520
Quote:
Originally Posted by zortation View Post
So the fossil heads on this forum are citing climate data from creationists.

lol.

/thread.

The climate changes here hourly.

The Ice Age caused the earth to heal itself.
Now, some idiots think they are going to try and slow the healing of the earth, back to normal conditions, so the earth stays in the last stages of the Ice Age.


They have many idiots convinced, that the sky is falling, unnaturally.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-04-2016, 10:16 AM
 
10,513 posts, read 5,122,773 times
Reputation: 14056
The climate denier's arguments fall apart when you do simple math:
  • Today the world consumes 96 million barrels of oil per day
  • Equal to a rate of 1,100 barrels of oil per second
  • One barrel of oil makes about 20 gallons of gasoline
  • Equal to 22,000 gallons of gasoline burned per second
  • A gallon of gasoline generates about 20 pounds of CO2
  • Equal to 440,000 pounds of CO2 released into the air per second
  • Equal to 3.8 x 10^10 pounds of CO2 into the air per year
You can't dump billions of pounds of CO2 into the air, year in and year out, and not change the composition of the atmosphere. The volume of air around the Earth is relatively thin and there's only so much room. In 1990 the air had 350 ppm of CO2; today it is just over 400 ppm -- an increase of just under 15%. This number would be larger if the oceans did not absorb a portion of the CO2 (but CO2 uptake by the oceans causes its own problems as well).

To recap, in 26 years the activities of mankind alone have changed the atmosphere by a factor of 15%.

Thus it is proven with simple math that humans have changed to composition of the atmosphere. And if the composition of the atmosphere is changed, then how the Earth absorbs, reflects and distributes energy from the Sun must also change. That system of distributing heat energy is what we call weather and climate.

Therefore, simple math proves that humans have changed the atmosphere and have altered the climate. The facts are inescapable.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-04-2016, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
2,339 posts, read 2,059,029 times
Reputation: 1650
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elliott_CA View Post
The climate denier's arguments fall apart when you do simple math:
  • Today the world consumes 96 million barrels of oil per day
  • Equal to a rate of 1,100 barrels of oil per second
  • One barrel of oil makes about 20 gallons of gasoline
  • Equal to 22,000 gallons of gasoline burned per second
  • A gallon of gasoline generates about 20 pounds of CO2
  • Equal to 440,000 pounds of CO2 released into the air per second
  • Equal to 3.8 x 10^10 pounds of CO2 into the air per year
You can't dump billions of pounds of CO2 into the air, year in and year out, and not change the composition of the atmosphere. The volume of air around the Earth is relatively thin and there's only so much room. In 1990 the air had 350 ppm of CO2; today it is just over 400 ppm -- an increase of just under 15%. This number would be larger if the oceans did not absorb a portion of the CO2 (but CO2 uptake by the oceans causes its own problems as well).

To recap, in 26 years the activities of mankind alone have changed the atmosphere by a factor of 15%.

Thus it is proven with simple math that humans have changed to composition of the atmosphere. And if the composition of the atmosphere is changed, then how the Earth absorbs, reflects and distributes energy from the Sun must also change. That system of distributing heat energy is what we call weather and climate.

Therefore, simple math proves that humans have changed the atmosphere and have altered the climate. The facts are inescapable.
The weather always changes, yesterday it was hot and today it's cold. The earth's climate was warmer 800,000 years ago and there was life and stuff.

You see, it's all a big left wing conspiracy designed to syphon our tax dolllars to fund the scientists' government research grants and their lifestyle with their BMW 4 Series.

This is all part of the natural weather pattern, nothing to see here. You libruls are unbelieveable.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top