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Old 11-16-2016, 05:18 PM
 
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This is a good idea.
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Old 11-16-2016, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Nicolas Sarkozy proposed a EU carbon tax on American-made goods if President-elect Donald Trump pulls out of the climate accord.
So what?

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American republicans are the only political party on Earth that does not believe in man made global warming. And the only reason US republicans say "man made global warming is a hoax" is because combating global warming would decrease the profits of the large corporations that fund the US republican party.

Why Are Republicans the Only Climate-Science-Denying Party in the World?
Meet The Climate Denial Machine

Hopefully all the countries that signed the climate accord will join France in combating American republicans anti-science corporate agenda.
Let's see what science actually says:

Previous climate warmth

So far the ice cores can only provide us a glimpse into the Eemian warm period. But we can already tell that Eemian climate was significantly warmer than the climate of the current Holocene interglacial - probably about 5°C warmer.

A glimpse into the Eemian – University of CopenhagenIn plain English, warming occurs naturally and if the average global temperatures increase another 5°C or 9°F it's no big deal.
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Old 11-16-2016, 08:17 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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you point would have merit, IF big business was not supporting the DEMOCRATS in the last few election cycles. nice try.
I fully admit that solar and wind corporations give democrats campaign money because the democrats policies make those corporations more money (but this fact does not change the merit of my previous post.)
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Old 11-16-2016, 08:20 PM
 
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Live in the mountains. ?
i live in southern arizona and i also believe that AGW warming is total crap.

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I fully admit that solar and wind corporations give democrats campaign money because the democrats policies make those corporations more money (but this fact does not change the merit of my previous post.)
the big banks and even the oil companies give large amounts to democrats as well.
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Old 11-16-2016, 08:24 PM
 
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It's so delightful to share the planet with the ****wad anti-science crowd. If there was justice they would be exiled to a planet with very low oxygen content ratio to other noxious and toxic gases. One can only dream.
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Old 11-16-2016, 08:56 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Let's see what science actually says:

Previous climate warmth

So far the ice cores can only provide us a glimpse into the Eemian warm period. But we can already tell that Eemian climate was significantly warmer than the climate of the current Holocene interglacial - probably about 5°C warmer.

A glimpse into the Eemian – University of CopenhagenIn plain English, warming occurs naturally and if the average global temperatures increase another 5°C or 9°F it's no big deal.
Your source is from the University of Copenhagen.
A glimpse into the Eemian – University of Copenhagen


Your source says "Future global warming ... depend(s) on the amount of emissions from man-made greenhouse gasses."
Warning from the past: Future global warming could be even warmer – Niels Bohr Institute - University of Copenhagen

Your source also says "A new international study of past climate shows that the global temperature was getting colder and colder for more than 1000 years until the year 1900, after which global warming raised the temperature significantly in just 100 years."
Today's global warming follows more than 1000 years of colder climates – Niels Bohr Institute - University of Copenhagen

And your source says "human induced global climate change is likely to severely impact the distribution of biodiversity and the function of ecosystems on land and in the sea."
Climate Change – University of Copenhagen


A temperature increase of 9 degrees F. will flip around this planet. Plants and animals thrive in certain places because that environment suits them. And if the temperature rises by 9 degrees F. we will no longer be able to grow many of our food crops were we grow them now.

And if the temperature rises by 9 degrees F. warm weather plants and animals will migrate to places they could not live before. Then these new plants and animals will compete with the previous plants and animals as evasive species (and many of the old animals and plants will go extinct because the new conditions will be too warm for them to survive.)


I live in New Orleans and here we can not grow watermelon or blueberries, but if you drive just 2 hours away watermelon and blueberries flourish (and even the smallest changes in environment cause the extinction or flourishing of plants and animals.)

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Old 11-16-2016, 09:02 PM
 
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American republicans are the only political party on Earth that does not believe in man made global warming. And the only reason US republicans say "man made global warming is a hoax" is because combating global warming would decrease the profits of the large corporations that fund the US republican party.

Why Are Republicans the Only Climate-Science-Denying Party in the World?
Meet The Climate Denial Machine

Hopefully all the countries that signed the climate accord will join France in combating American republicans anti-science corporate agenda.
Are you old enough to remember the Kyoto accords? How did those turn out for the signatories?

Denial is actually less of a risk imo than meaningless treaties that people turn around and cheat on.

Serious question, the EU can't even keep their members in line with regards to budget and a shared currency so why do you feel that any agreement like this will be followed?

P.S. I believe in man-made global warming, but I'm also a realist and am well educated enough to know that the US following these accords while others cheat\misreport or just flat out violate it is important not to just blindly ignore.
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Old 11-16-2016, 09:06 PM
 
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It's so delightful to share the planet with the ****wad anti-science crowd. If there was justice they would be exiled to a planet with very low oxygen content ratio to other noxious and toxic gases. One can only dream.
So you're in favor of GMO's and so forth or can we book you a seat on the shuttle too?
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Old 11-16-2016, 09:53 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Are you old enough to remember the Kyoto accords? How did those turn out for the signatories?

Denial is actually less of a risk imo than meaningless treaties that people turn around and cheat on.
Denial of the worlds accepted scientific consensus is the denial of reality itself, like saying the Earth does not revolve around the sun (and such behavior is highly dangerous.)

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Serious question, the EU can't even keep their members in line with regards to budget and a shared currency so why do you feel that any agreement like this will be followed?
The threat of global warming is new and hard for countries to combat.

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P.S. I believe in man-made global warming, but I'm also a realist and am well educated enough to know that the US following these accords while others cheat\misreport or just flat out violate it is important not to just blindly ignore.
Its Americas republicans who ignore global warming accords more than any other group on Earth. And your criticizing other countries for cheating on the accords (when US republicans want to abolish the accords.) Even the countries that cheat are doing more than republicans.

I apologize if I was rude in this post,
Chad.
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Old 11-23-2016, 02:55 PM
 
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So what?



Let's see what science actually says:

Previous climate warmth

So far the ice cores can only provide us a glimpse into the Eemian warm period. But we can already tell that Eemian climate was significantly warmer than the climate of the current Holocene interglacial - probably about 5°C warmer.

A glimpse into the Eemian – University of CopenhagenIn plain English, warming occurs naturally and if the average global temperatures increase another 5°C or 9°F it's no big deal.

I brought along an video.

https://youtu.be/ztninkgZ0ws

It sort of sums it all up with pictures and such. It's from PBS and it does go into human influences. But as far as interglacial periods and pointing out how everyone is only able to argue amongst ourselves because of this extended interglacial period, it does so in nice detail.
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