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This is a fairly simple question, should the US restrict immigration?
If you believe in sanctuary cities, I can't see how it would be possible to answer yes.
Immigration: No, as long as the person immigrating to the US comes in for good reasons. Legal immigration is not as easy as one may think, except for students (student visas) and such. It can take several months to legally immigrate to the US.
Illegal immigration: Yes it should be completely stopped.
Not really true but not even the point, irrelevant. We don't need mass immigration and from the alien third world and didn't have it until after the 1965 immigration law which intentionally open mass immigration to almost the entire world.
Laws and amendment can and should be changed at times, especially when they were dubious to begin with.
Look, I'm not defending current immigration patterns.
But, as long as Western countries, including the US, continue to have lower than necessary birth rates, they need immigration. However, Europeans, like my relatives, do NOT want to leave Europe. They have a great, balanced lifestyle, including, for example, quality universal healthcare and at least 6 weeks of vacation per year. They do NOT want to leave that in order to come to workaholic North America, with our pathetic standard of two weeks of vacation per year. They can't believe we live that way.
So, that leaves Asia and the Middle East, predominantly, to fulfill current and projected immigration needs. It is what it is.
Look, I'm not defending current immigration patterns.
But, as long as Western countries, including the US, continue to have lower than necessary birth rates, they need immigration. However, Europeans, like my relatives, do NOT want to leave Europe. They have a great, balanced lifestyle, including, for example, quality universal healthcare and at least 6 weeks of vacation per year. They do NOT want to leave that in order to come to workaholic North America, with our pathetic standard of two weeks of vacation per year. They can't believe we live that way.
So, that leaves Asia and the Middle East, predominantly, to fulfill current and projected immigration needs. It is what it is.
Hey, how about decreasing population? Why do we have to grow and grow? Some Western states have serious water issues. Phoenix and Los Angeles are sprawling nightmares. Do you want to look like India with feces and dead bodies in their rivers and China with its polluted skies? We are the third most populous country in the world. Sorry, we are full up.
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Look, I'm not defending current immigration patterns.
But, as long as Western countries, including the US, continue to have lower than necessary birth rates, they need immigration. However, Europeans, like my relatives, do NOT want to leave Europe. They have a great, balanced lifestyle, including, for example, quality universal healthcare and at least 6 weeks of vacation per year. They do NOT want to leave that in order to come to workaholic North America, with our pathetic standard of two weeks of vacation per year. They can't believe we live that way.
So, that leaves Asia and the Middle East, predominantly, to fulfill current and projected immigration needs. It is what it is.
The West doesn't need immigration. How long before Europe won't be a place Europeans want to live in with all the immigration they are allowing in?
Hey, how about decreasing population? Why do we have to grow and grow? Some Western states have serious water issues. Phoenix and Los Angeles are sprawling nightmares. Do you want to look like India with feces and dead bodies in their rivers and China with its polluted skies? We are the third most populous country in the world. Sorry, we are full up.
If the population stops growing it becomes hard to support the older generations and fund the government. And we are in no trouble with water or anything else. The US can easily double again with little trouble. And even LA has a basically infinite water supply. Just has to pay a little more than it wants for the water.
I would also point out that when I first went to LA in the late 60s its climate was not far off todays Chinas. Set foot out of doors in Pasadena and the tears would roll down your face. That however has all been pretty well fixed. I won't live there again over the congestion...but it can be OK for many.
The West doesn't need immigration. How long before Europe won't be a place Europeans want to live in with all the immigration they are allowing in?
You completely missed Dixiegirls point of population maintenance.
A culture cannot survive with a birthrate lower than 1.8 per family. ALL countries are going to be places the traditional inhabitants are not going to be happy with unless they start having babies like rabbits which goes back to quality of life issues.
If two people are working without vacation and paying through the nose for routine healthcare they often decide not to have kids because that would mean giving up the three car garage and the boat in the driveway that they can play with on the weekends they're not working overtime to pay for it all.
Sooner or later you let others whose cultural roots aren't embedded in "things" birthrate take over. They're already here and raising families, say goodbye to your past and hello future.
You completely missed Dixiegirls point of population maintenance.
A culture cannot survive with a birthrate lower than 1.8 per family. ALL countries are going to be places the traditional inhabitants are not going to be happy with unless they start having babies like rabbits which goes back to quality of life issues.
If two people are working without vacation and paying through the nose for routine healthcare they often decide not to have kids because that would mean giving up the three car garage and the boat in the driveway that they can play with on the weekends they're not working overtime to pay for it all.
Sooner or later you let others whose cultural roots aren't embedded in "things" birthrate take over. They're already here and raising families, say goodbye to your past and hello future.
You've no choice in the matter.
I completely reject it. We are already overpopulated and need a reduction. We have almost 10x the population of Canada and about the same land mass. Population growth causes more poverty and inflation. If the population is declining due to low birthrates and you want to change that then address the root causes. If the population was allowed to drop, competition and inflation could drop and people would not feel too squeezed to have more children. Birthrate is not fixed and varies. Growing your population by bringing in people from around the world without regard to compatibility and interchangeability is this worst solution.
In 1972, the Presidential Commission on Population Growth and the American Future recommended population stabilization, concluding: “The health of our country does not depend on [population growth], nor does the vitality of business nor the welfare of the average person.” The Commission’s recommendation was based on the 1970 Census finding that the population had reached more than 203 million residents. Since 1970, the U.S. population has added more than 100 million residents, about a 50 percent growth in fewer than 40 years. As the root cause of land and resource shortages, ecological degradation and urban congestion, sustained and growing overpopulation is jeopardizing the natural inheritance we leave for future generations.
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