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Old 03-02-2017, 07:09 AM
 
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The irony that Wilbur Ross was in "trouble" because he had an undocumented household worker when he has an ownership interest in the Bank of Cyrus which is known money-laundering bank for dark money from Russians and other uber wealthy individuals and businesses that want to clean up and shelter money is kind of laughable...

The head of Bank of Cyprus is former Deustch Bank head who was kicked out when DB was fined multi-millions by US for money laundering and shielding American interests from taxing by IRS
That is a fact--easy to prove/research--and nothing fairy-tale about it...
Just because YOU and Trump supporters don't want to acknowledge the negative implications of all this doesn't mean they don't exist....
Plenty of people want to believe the Bible is a literal, scientifically accurate HISTORICAL document and that men lived alongside dinosaurs---doesn't mean it happened...

The idea that NO ONE on the confirmation hearing or apparently the vetting before the confirmation hearing asked any hard questions or that Ross apparently still OWNS that investment indicates that people who have the authority don't really WANT to know the truth...

At some point in time people who support Trump are going to have to be willing to acknowledge that the implications of all of this background smoke must be addressed by people who don't have a political drum to beat...

Sessions has to recuse himself or the smear just continues...
There is NO Dept attorney general since Yates was fired so there is no one to stand in for Sessions directly--
Getting an independent commission with GOP and Dems and hopefully neutrals would just be better way to go
And Ross is going to get some serious scrutiny from investigators in the media and I am sure some in the IC
There are foreign gov'ts' IC that have info about meetings between Trump people and Russians this summer...
It is a conspiracy and conspiracies take time to unravel...
Not everything that happened in Lincoln's assassination is known today--more than 100 yrs later...

It will take time to assemble a commission like that however and that means delays to getting to the truth of the matter
Personally I am sure that while the WH is under order NOT to get rid of any info bearing on campaign/transition contacts, that stuff went out the window ASAP...
Steve Bannon has known habit of avoiding any paper trail period--to deliberately avoid having a traceable history of comments/actions/people involved...

 
Old 03-02-2017, 07:46 AM
 
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Do you copy and paste this over and over? Fairy tales are still fairy tales....
 
Old 03-02-2017, 08:16 AM
 
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Two stories that Jeff Sessions lied at his confirmation hearing when asked by Senator Franken if he--as a member of Trump's transition/campaign team--had had meeting with anyone in Russian government said NO--unequivocally--

Today the stories are that Sessions met twice with the Russian Ambassador--the same one Flynn spoke with about the sanctions--during the campaign..
Haven't read the stories--just seeing MSNBC doing discussion show called Trump Putin Power Play...

Sessions is going to have to recuse himself --something he said he would not do when asked in the confirmation hearing--

AND read an article today that said Carter Page, the American finance guy who has strong ties w/Russia o/g people and has made plenty of speeches in Russia--was added to SESSIONS foreign policy team this summer during the campaign before he was on Trump's foreign policy team...
That Carter Page was know to aide of Sessions--when Sessions needed to create foreign policy staff...
So again another tie to the Russian side that Sessions did not reveal...

I mentioned before that Wilbur Ross, the new Sec of Commerce, has ownership in Bank of Cyprus that does lot of money laundering for Russian oligarchs, including the Russian fertilizer king Dmitry Rybolovlev who bought a Trump mansion for 100 MILLION dollars---at a profit of 120% to Trump in 2008--
This same guy has been tracked flying into cities where Trump has been -- when the Russian has no real reason to be there--no easy to see business interests--
He was in Miami when Trump was at MarALago and the reporters where in the press pool room with the windows blacked out w/plastic so the grounds couldn't be viewed...
Trump said he didn't want them seeing him play golf--but maybe there were visitors they wanted kept under wraps...

Just remember that because so many of the oligarchs in Russia are in bed with Putin to enrich themselves that many of them are as likely to be on Putin's business as their own when they travel overseas...
Putin's business and Russia's business are often one and the same...

Sessions' Russian ties are all over the news this morning. There will have to be yet another non-partisan investigation. No doubt he'll attempt to brush it off as a social encounter with the Russian ambassador - embassy garden party or such - but far too many similar stories are emerging from the Trump team, and they all have the same theme. There's plenty of smoke - and putting out all those fires isn't a skill I see demonstrated in the present administration.

Something is happening here, even if what it is ain't exactly clear. And Trump, Bannon, Sessions and Putin aren't likely to clarify things for us.
 
Old 03-02-2017, 08:27 AM
 
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Sessions' Russian ties are all over the news this morning. There will have to be yet another non-partisan investigation. No doubt he'll attempt to brush it off as a social encounter with the Russian ambassador - embassy garden party or such - but far too many similar stories are emerging from the Trump team, and they all have the same theme. There's plenty of smoke - and putting out all those fires isn't a skill I see demonstrated in the present administration.

Something is happening here, even if what it is ain't exactly clear. And Trump, Bannon, Sessions and Putin aren't likely to clarify things for us.
No--he met with the Russian ambassador twice in his Senate offices--
It was on his calendar which is why he can't deny it happened...
The Justice Dept rep is the one who confirmed it...
He is trying to say he did it because of his Senate Foreign Relations committee but NONE of the other 26 members when asked while the story was being written--as background/confirmation of likely contacts--NONE of the other Senators said they had any contact with the Russian ambassador or really ANY contact with Ambassadors from other countries....

Ted Cruz who is on the Foreign Relations committee himself said that HE has contact with Ambassadors but think that was just a CYA move to throw up smokescreen for Sessions...

There is NO WAY to tell what was discussed....
It could have been the sanctions that Flynn was involved with
It could have been Carter Page who was on Sessions staff during Trump's campaign before he was on Trump's or at the same time...

Anything Sessions says is going to be questioned--as it should--since Sessions has strong ties to Trump while the Russian hacking was going on and certainly made no protests about Trump's use of the info passed along by Wikileaks to be used against HRC...
Sessions never came out and said that using illegally obtained information was in and of itself illegal or improper in any way...NOTHING Trump did or said in the campaign was a negative in Sessions's legal-eagle eyes...

And as far as the GOP responses about Sessions meetings and comments at his hearings---
GOP is trying to say it was kosher---
The fact is just as in Flynn's case--it was the COVERUP, not the actual event, that has provoked such a strong response...
The Trump administration is just so crooked that it can't find a straight path to walk to cover up all the improper actions in the past...
The trouble with telling a lie is that it is always harder to remember and hold to your version of the lie...
Sessions volunteered the information that HE had no contact with the Russians during the campaign---HE was trying to clean his shoes of any dirt and all he did was make it more likely to stick...
Whether he did anything wrong or not--he has opened the door to the Democrats to claim impropriety...and some of the GOP are agreeing with that POV...
 
Old 03-02-2017, 08:42 AM
 
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"Those are cabinet positions" which was the subject.
Try to stay up. NO President gets 100% of his people confirmed the 1st month of his election.
Well..this what you said in an earlier post:

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Has he nominated someone to every position that needs confirmation?
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Yes.
 
Old 03-02-2017, 08:45 AM
 
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Sessions' Russian ties are all over the news this morning. There will have to be yet another non-partisan investigation. No doubt he'll attempt to brush it off as a social encounter with the Russian ambassador - embassy garden party or such - but far too many similar stories are emerging from the Trump team, and they all have the same theme. There's plenty of smoke - and putting out all those fires isn't a skill I see demonstrated in the present administration.

Something is happening here, even if what it is ain't exactly clear. And Trump, Bannon, Sessions and Putin aren't likely to clarify things for us.
Where's Bob Dylan - it'd be nice if he came along right about now to interpret:

'Cause something is happening here & you don't know what it is, Do you, Mr. Jones?'
 
Old 03-02-2017, 08:47 AM
 
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Ben Carson, a retired neurosurgeon, is confirmed as HUD Secretary. He ran for President in the primaries in 2016, then dropped out and endorsed Trump. Although the man is clearly a brilliant doctor who has written several autobiographies, Trump has added yet another unqualified yes-man to his cabinet.
 
Old 03-02-2017, 09:03 AM
 
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Ben Carson, a retired neurosurgeon, is confirmed as HUD Secretary. He ran for President in the primaries in 2016, then dropped out and endorsed Trump. Although the man is clearly a brilliant doctor who has written several autobiographies, Trump has added yet another unqualified yes-man to his cabinet.
No worries it's probably just part of De-facto President Bannon's "deconstruction of the administrative state" strategy. Pretty soon, if he gets what he's so ardently wishing for, we'll have no competent people as government representatives!
 
Old 03-02-2017, 09:04 AM
 
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Nope, he clearly said this was planned under the Obama Administration. And that's the truth. Not sure how people are blaming Trump for this (wait - never mind).
Hmmm... ever hear "the buck stops here"? Seems like trump should find that sign and put it on his desk, just like truman had it, to remind himself, and his staff, that they are to be held responsible for their words and actions.

Doesn't matter when the planning started, the fact is that the event happened on trump's watch, so trump gets the praise or blame on the outcome. It nobody had been killed or there had been a more positive outcome from the event, you can bet trump would have been all over taking the credit for it.

https://www.trumanlibrary.org/buckstop.htm
 
Old 03-02-2017, 10:23 AM
 
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Do you copy and paste this over and over? Fairy tales are still fairy tales....
The guidelines IN the Justice Dept long before Sessions was the AP are very specific that snyone connected personally, politically, professionally w/anyone or issue being investigated by the DoJ HAS NO CHOICE but to recuse him or her selffrom the investigation...

Sessions should have know that he would be unable to run an investigation of Trump/Russian when he said st confirmation hearing he eould NOT revuse himself--
That is just bragging like Trump did about getting away with shooting someone in Time Sq snd getting away with
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