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Old 12-07-2016, 09:36 PM
 
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Its only embarrassing for you.

 
Old 12-07-2016, 09:37 PM
 
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There are plenty of climate scientists who don't agree. Some of them are, or were, with the EPA, but the EPA officially muzzled them. They shut down any scientific debate (an unnecessary step right?), telling them their opinions didn't help the legal or policy cases to move forward on climate change measures & that if their opinions were heard, they would have a negative impact on the EPA itself. That's not science, that's politics.
No, actually, there aren't "plenty of climate scientists who don't agree." There simply aren't. And, once again, even if the American governmental institutions played fast and loose with the facts (as happened egregiously under the Bush/Cheney administration): America is not the world. American political shenanigans have nothing to do with the actual science of climate change, which marches forward all over the world, irrespective of American politics.
 
Old 12-07-2016, 09:40 PM
 
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Oh God, so a military man should never be a Secretary of Defense?
No, that's not what the law states, but it does say that a nominee for defense secretary must have been out of the active duty for seven years. (It used to be 10 years) Why have laws if Congress can just waive them?

I don't have a personal opinion about Mattis at this point. I'm still learning about him and there are conflicting views. Some are positive and some are very negative. For example:

[URL="https://www.stripes.com/news/retired-green-beret-says-mattis-left-my-men-to-die-in-afghanistan-1.442367"]Retired Green Beret says Mattis left 'my men to die' in Afghanistan
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Old 12-07-2016, 09:48 PM
 
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Better, one should imagine, than having one's financial solvency decimated by a fraudulent governmental scheme, I know we will all agree.

Especially true since the planet will be here long after we are gone. The Earth is completely unaware that we have been here for a few comparative minutes of its existence. Moreover, the Earth does not know we are here now. And once we are gone, for all of the hundreds of millions (or billions) of years that will follow after we have departed, the Earth will not even recognize we have ever been present. Without ever knowing that we were here, the Earth will erase every trace of our former existence.

If all humans disappeared tomorrow, the earth will keep on doing its thing, undergoing the processes that have governed its existence for 4.6 billion years, remaining utterly and completely oblivious to the fact that humans ever existed at all. And in only short a few thousand years, everything that you and I know, and in fact, nearly all traces of humanity and all that it had created during its entire brief existence on this planet will be completely erased by erosion, weathering, rust, decay, and all of the natural processes that govern its behavior. Eventually, there will be no trace whatsoever of human existence on Earth, yet the Earth will still be here, as it was before our arrival.

While it is certain that there will come a sunrise that no human will ever see, it will be the dawn of just another day for Earth.

It will be as if we were never here. And the Earth will still not know we ever existed, nor will it know that we are gone. It will not even care that we were ever here.

Getting back to the key point:


It's about time we had somebody in government who is willing to call the climate scam for what it is...a transparent gambit for yet more tax revenue.
There is no "climate scam." Sorry, but there just isn't. As for the rest of this . . . nonsense: when the global trophic cascade begins, and it will, and probably sooner that you could imagine, "financial solvency" will be the least of your worries, friend.
 
Old 12-07-2016, 09:53 PM
 
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Yea, this is very troubling indeed. We are soon to become a neo-fascist country, and Trump knows that he needs the military behind him to do what he wants to do, which is basically ignore laws and become a dictator in chief, the kind who shuts down newspapers he disagrees with and arrests people he does not like.

If he gets a cabal of rightwing Generals to support him, it's going to be a uniquely bad time for the U.S. Constitution.
Trump is already acting like a dictator. If he doesn't like something he hears, he tweets negative comments about individuals and companies. Isn't this a threat against the First Amendment? Now he's attacking a local union president in Indiana, whose family is getting threatened by Trump supporters, just because he reported that Trump exaggerated about the number of Carrier jobs staying in Indiana.
 
Old 12-07-2016, 09:56 PM
 
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One should never try to teach a pig to sing. It only hurts your ears and mildly annoys the pig. Don't feed the forum trolls or they will never leave. They really don't care what the truth is, as long as they can play you for a reaction.
 
Old 12-07-2016, 10:01 PM
 
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Is it that horrible that government can't collect more taxes?

AGW is only about taxation and not the environment.

You're being played as fools.
 
Old 12-07-2016, 10:05 PM
 
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No climate scientist disagrees that the acceleration of climate change is real and is anthropogenic.
Now you are just being foolish.

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then how can you deny what the vast majority of the world's climate scientists agree upon?
You have just contradicted yourself.

I'm not the one claiming they all agree, you are. I'm asking you what is the number?

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Is it that you don't care about your children's future? That you are more interested in being "right" than you are in being correct? That you love this land of America so little that you don't care that its mountains are being blown up, that its rivers are being polluted, that its ecosystems are being destroyed?
How much has the six most common air pollutants increased since the 80's, give me number. This one is available that I can rattle off the top of my head.

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It's beyond time to move to renewable energy.
That is very easy to say unless you understand the issues. Let's just suppose for one minute that a solar panel can make electric for the same cost as coal. Here is the threshold you need to meet.

In the northeast US it's 0 degrees out, cloudy and the utility companies are hitting peak demand at 7 AM. It's going to be like that for two weeks. What is your plan?

The achilles heel of wind and solar is and always be the intermittent production. If you're single solar panel is cost competitive you may need 40 of them and the means to store that energy to meet the demand above. Meanwhile you can just stack coal to the moon next to the coal plant.
 
Old 12-07-2016, 10:07 PM
 
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The Earth's climate has been changing since the Earth was first formed, and will continue to change until it is ultimately destroyed.

The only people who even come close to denying that the Earth's climate is naturally in a state of constant change are the AGW alarmists, who appear to believe that a static climate is somehow normal, achievable and sustainable.

It isn’t.
 
Old 12-07-2016, 10:14 PM
 
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There is no "climate scam."
You realize that liberal policy for this is to tax the hell out of everyone? You realize the banks are all for it?

Here is a list that includes some of the very companies you are complaining about.

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