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The other poster has made a fundamental error. Congress did not direct this, the president did. Sessions has made his views abundantly clear on this, I can't imagine him not going after the states that have legalized. I dont think Trump is as interested. So who knows. His pick certainly is a true believer in reefer madness.
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Originally Posted by jacqueg
So far, seems to be the usual R culture warrior suspects.
Along with the Iraq conflict, this insane war on drugs and the total ignorance is one of the many reasons I left the R's and became a Libertarian.
Let's be honest though... it's only in the last few years that the left have come back to their senses regarding drugs. For the last 50 years they have been just as authoritarian as the right. Obama, the pot smoking cocaine snorting commander in chief could have EO'd it all away, yet didn't. Why?
It really doesn't matter though... with 8 states passing med and rec use, and especially CA, the war on drugs is all but over. They will never be able to put the genie back in the bong.
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You're a good deal more optimistic than I am. There's absolutely nothing about a Republican-controlled Congress and Sessions as AG that gives me any confidence on this issue at all.
The DEA recently refused to remove marijuana from Schedule I, which would be a necessary step to ratcheting down the war on marijuana. Did you hear an outcry from Congress or from Trump or from the GOP? No. You didn't.
Trump has already stated they he realizes the medical benefits of THC/CBD. There is too much proof to ignore it now. It has to be removed from the schedule I classification of having no medicinal use. Trump will place a new sheriff in charge of the DEA and I totally believe things will change. He wants to be re-elected, the Rs want to keep their power... if they choose to escalate their ridiculous drug insanity again, they will lose it right back.
The other poster has made a fundamental error. Congress did not direct this, the president did. Sessions has made his views abundantly clear on this, I can't imagine him not going after the states that have legalized. I dont think Trump is as interested. So who knows. His pick certainly is a true believer in reefer madness.
And even then, it is up to the discretion of the AG. It's policy, not law.
Along with the Iraq conflict, this insane war on drugs and the total ignorance is one of the many reasons I left the R's and became a Libertarian.
Let's be honest though... it's only in the last few years that the left have come back to their senses regarding drugs. For the last 50 years they have been just as authoritarian as the right.
Entirely true. And in fact, it's liberal D voters who have loosened up, the politicians who are going public only do so to the extent that their voters have.
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Obama, the pot smoking cocaine snorting commander in chief could have EO'sd it all away, yet didn't. Why?
My guess is he felt he had enough fights on his plate, and saw no reason to get involved in this one. I have no doubt that he indulged in college experiments, but I do doubt he is a user these days. I know plenty of people, and I am sure you do too, who took a break from recreational drug use while they were in the career-building and kid-raising phase of their lives. Now that we're retiring...
Obama has already pardoned some federal prisoners who were serving time for non-violent drug offenses. I'm really hoping there will be more.
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It really doesn't matter though... with 8 states passing med and rec use, and especially CA, the war on drugs is all but over. They will never be able to put the genie back in the bong.
I agree. But it's gonna take longer with Rs in charge than it would take with Ds in charge.
Entirely true. And in fact, it's liberal D voters who have loosened up, the politicians who are going public only do so to the extent that their voters have.
Its a mixture of things. the views on pot have been fundamentally changing as many who grew up seeing some truly seriously insane propaganda about it tried it, and found out that there really was no relationship to it, and the way propaganda portrayed it. Generally the younger you were the more likely you were to vote to legalize it. Younger voters also tend to be democrats. So its more about a generational change, then a political affiliation.
Having a couple states legalize it, and seeing that suddenly none of the horror stories about it were true, people started to realize that maybe this was not a good use of our resources.
Entirely true. And in fact, it's liberal D voters who have loosened up, the politicians who are going public only do so to the extent that their voters have.
My guess is he felt he had enough fights on his plate, and saw no reason to get involved in this one. I have no doubt that he indulged in college experiments, but I do doubt he is a user these days. I know plenty of people, and I am sure you do too, who took a break from recreational drug use while they were in the career-building and kid-raising phase of their lives. Now that we're retiring...
Could not agree more with that! Especially the bolded. I've rediscovered how valuable it is for pain, not to mention how much safer it is than scripts and alcohol.
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Obama has already pardoned some federal prisoners who were serving time for non-violent drug offenses. I'm really hoping there will be more.
I agree. But it's gonna take longer with Rs in charge than it would take with Ds in charge.
See, the thing is this. Trump is a wildcard. I honestly believe that the Republicans who believe they can steer him back to their establishment logic are far mistaken. I believe he will, in his crazy way, bring sanity back to the hill. THAT is what I pray for.
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Not so much the Trump administration, but Sessions specifically as his role as Attorney General.
If he tries to start the war back up he will do so at his own peril. I hope he is as pragmatic as his boss to see the writing on the wall.
Could not agree more with that! Especially the bolded. I've rediscovered how valuable it is for pain, not to mention how much safer it is than scripts and alcohol.
Pain, insomnia, touchy digestion...
Plus, it's still just a darn pleasant way to enjoy an afternoon!
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See, the thing is this. Trump is a wildcard. I honestly believe that the Republicans who believe they can steer him back to their establishment logic are far mistaken. I believe he will, in his crazy way, bring sanity back to the hill. THAT is what I pray for.
If he tries to start the war back up he will do so at his own peril. I hope he is as pragmatic as his boss to see the writing on the wall.
You're right, but I worry that won't stop him. People who believe they're doing the lord's work don't deeply care about public opinion.
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