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Old 11-20-2016, 10:21 AM
 
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Pence was ambushed? Who ambushed him? Shouldn't the Secret Service - with their comms, body armor, sidearms & the Uzis in reserve - shouldn't they have thrown themselves bodily in the path of the wicked barbs & taken the hits for the team?

Clever, but hardly addressing the issue.
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Old 11-20-2016, 10:26 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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what???? Not at all. This is ENTERTAINMENT. If it's not entertaining, people will not buy. Nothing else matters.
Well, if it's just ENTERTAINMENT you're after, theater is definitely the wrong venue. You'd probably prefer reality TV - which is - TMK - pretty much pure entertainment. Theater always seems to have a possibly subversive edge to it - subtle @ times, overt @ times.


From what I've heard & read about Hamilton the Broadway musical, it wears its political heart out on its sleeve. It's wrapped in a musical setting, & has songs & dancing, but I think the intent underlying all that is serious.
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Old 11-20-2016, 10:35 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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And once again, if this side had any smarts, they'd realize people don't like being preached too. Can they take the approach they did, freedom of speech and all that? Of course! Their right. Is it a smart way to persuade/get the other side to come to their side of thinking?

No.
So - can Liberals preach? & do they preach from a pulpit, bully or no? In what passes for popular culture, of course, all Liberals are Socialists, or Communists, or @ least Freethinkers. (In reality, there are Liberals & Moderates & etc. who are Christian or Jewish - but enough about facts.)


In respect to the vox populi then, the verb has to be changed. It can't be preached to, maybe harangued, or screamed @, or condescended to, something that's actually in line with the prevailing wind blowing the ship o' state off coarse ...
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Old 11-20-2016, 10:43 AM
 
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'We are the diverse America who are alarmed': Embarrassment for VP-elect Mike Pence as Hamilton cast STOPS show to address him directly about their fears -

‘We are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children,' the cast said
What a bunch of ultra-spoiled, tone deaf and entitled babies.

I'll speak for myself.

I just spent 16 years with presidents who terrified me.

How about the cast of Hamilton?

From Bush's neo-liberal imperialism that concentrated on shattering the lives of the Trump base with his Wars, which did nothing for them, to Obama's eight years of anti-majority racial agitation that worked to institutionalize resentment against my specific demographic (which wound up hitting me very hard professionally); I've spent almost two decades watching my demographic receive the brunt of punishment from administrations.

You can't cry about an inclusive nation while alternately exploiting, ignoring, and demonizing a major portion of it. You can't spend eight years attempting to gain everything that you can at the expense of a major demographic, and then think that you can credibly cry about inclusiveness once the good times are over. You can't do this and think that your opportunistic and entitled baby rant against the VP elect will be received as anything but the whine of a spoiled child who is long overdue for a hefty dose of reality.

This nation is a failing experiment. And it isn't failing because the majority is not giving the rest a chance. It's failing because they have used that chance to do everything but unify the nation. The majority observed this, and is calling for a major revision of the experiment as a result.

The time to wish this result away was before the gears were set in motion that assured it.
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Old 11-20-2016, 10:50 AM
 
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Well, if it's just ENTERTAINMENT you're after, theater is definitely the wrong venue. You'd probably prefer reality TV - which is - TMK - pretty much pure entertainment. Theater always seems to have a possibly subversive edge to it - subtle @ times, overt @ times.


From what I've heard & read about Hamilton the Broadway musical, it wears its political heart out on its sleeve. It's wrapped in a musical setting, & has songs & dancing, but I think the intent underlying all that is serious.
No one is talking about the show itself.

If it was billing itself as an interactive show with audience members other than in the traditional sense of applause, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Did they lecture Hillary about anything from the stage when she attended? No.

If they wanted to and were clever enough, they could have woven their message into the show somehow without a rude shout out to Pence to listen to them.

Of if they wanted to be civilized and have a conversation, they could have engineered a REAL conversation. They knew ahead of time he was coming. No excuse for the way they did things.
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Old 11-20-2016, 10:52 AM
 
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As a post-truth Trump supporting fascist, you have zero credibility at this point. This was a defense of our American liberties, not an "attack" - and a perfect example of how freedom of speech WILL be exercised in this country while we still can. If the fascist Right thought the people of this country were going to go quietly under the thumb, they are hugely mistaken.
Your media platforms for "freedom of speech" have been shutting Trump's base out of the conversation for decades.

Now, no one cares anymore about your cynical, single-sided victim spiel and partisan "free speech" complaints. Cry away.

You still have almost the entirety of the MSM voicing your political positions. Sympathy to your complaints will be entirely from people who are already biased to your views, and their ridiculous ignorance of the imbalance of platform for political speech will only drive more people to us when they rightly recognize how ridiculous your complaining is in the context of whose speech is generally limited.


Boo-hoo.
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Old 11-20-2016, 11:02 AM
 
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I have heard that if you bold certain words then your argument becomes 100% correct.
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Old 11-20-2016, 11:14 AM
 
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That does not include attacking an audience member.
So who attacked an audience member?
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Old 11-20-2016, 11:29 AM
 
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So that's what free speech is all about? Jeering someone in a public forum? So civilized!

So who jeered? TMK, it wasn't the cast. (There was also some applause - not clear if it was greater than or equal to the jeers - so it was a mixed house.)
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Old 11-20-2016, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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If this had happened to Obama or Hillary, the left would have been apoplectic and on top of that the cast and booing audience members would have been called racist and/or sexist. All we are saying is that it was incredibly ill mannered.
1. You're probably correct that we would have been complaining, too.

2. Actually, that is not what all of "you" are saying.

3. It's still free speech. Which is more important? Free speech or rudeness?
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