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Its perfectly fine to criticize islam just like any other powerful religion or system of oppression. Do you think it is a coincidence that religious preachers thrive in environments of financial insecurity and poor education? Can you answer the questions above about islam?
Any and all religions can be used for good or bad. Even Islam. There are some that are perfectly happy to live according to our laws and keep their beliefs in their own lives. There are those that break our laws and they should be handled by the legal system.
There are fanatics of every group. Islam is no different. I simply refuse to call them all evil based on the actions of the fanatics, just like I don't call all Christians evil based on the actions of their fanatics.
Any and all religions can be used for good or bad. Even Islam. There are some that are perfectly happy to live according to our laws and keep their beliefs in their own lives. There are those that break our laws and they should be handled by the legal system.
There are fanatics of every group. Islam is no different. I simply refuse to call them all evil based on the actions of the fanatics, just like I don't call all Christians evil based on the actions of their fanatics.
So you refuse to criticize islam and answer the questions about islam because you are afraid you will be portrayed as someone who call all muslims evil if you do. Thats just sad. Really sad.
Do you have the same mentality when it comes to political organizations as well? GOP, Democrats, Greens etc, fanatics in all groups, no one is better or worse than the other, we shouldnt criticize? What about the Juche religion and ideology of North Korea? Can it be used for good and bad?
Women are subjugated by Islam itself. They don't enjoy equal rights or privileges. They can't even pray alongside their husbands. They are treated as second-class citizens under the guise of "respecting and protecting". But don't take it from me - read some of the works of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who escaped life as a subjugated Muslim woman and has written several fantastic books. She is a staunch proponent of Islamic reformation.
I've never understood how leftists so vocal about feminism can be so mute on the topic of Islam.
So you refuse to criticize islam and answer the questions about islam because you are afraid you will be portrayed as someone who call all muslims evil if you do. Thats just sad. Really sad.
Do you have the same mentality when it comes to political organizations as well? GOP, Democrats, Greens etc, fanatics in all groups, no one is better or worse than the other, we shouldnt criticize? What about the Juche religion and ideology of North Korea? Can it be used for good and bad?
It isn't up to me to criticize someones religious beliefs. I can and will criticize the ACTIONS of those that I disagree with. This thread seems to want to paint all Muslims as those that beat their wives or have a harem, and that isn't reality.
Is beating your spouse bad? Yes.
Is treating women as less than bad? Yes.
Do all Muslims do this? No.
Do people that aren't Muslims do this? Yes.
Maybe we should be against ANYONE beating their spouse or subjugating women regardless of their religious or political beliefs.
Women are subjugated by Islam itself. They don't enjoy equal rights or privileges. They can't even pray alongside their husbands. They are treated as second-class citizens under the guise of "respecting and protecting". But don't take it from me - read some of the works of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who escaped life as a subjugated Muslim woman and has written several fantastic books. She is a staunch proponent of Islamic reformation.
I've never understood how leftists so vocal about feminism can be so mute on the topic of Islam.
Your picking and choosing your facts. LIBERALS (not leftisits) do criticize any subjugation of women's rights including those propagated by Islam. However, they respect a woman's right to make their own choices.
Thing is, there is no Liberals in most of the Middle East because dissension is not tolerated. Kind of like how you seem to want things to be here in the good ole USA.
You answered your own question in the bolded above. Most Muslims don't beat their wives. So the real question is, even as you are admitting this fact, why are you willing to treat all of them as if they do?
It doesnt change the fact that it appears to be a normal thing though like if that happened here, people would call the police or step in right away. Like my friend's experience is just ignore it, if you start a conflict you could be punished. If a married woman is raped she could face punishment too. The examples go on and can ot be compared to the same kind of look we hve towards these things in the US.
Your picking and choosing your facts. LIBERALS (not leftisits) do criticize any subjugation of women's rights including those propagated by Islam. However, they respect a woman's right to make their own choices.
Thing is, there is no Liberals in most of the Middle East because dissension is not tolerated. Kind of like how you seem to want things to be here in the good ole USA.
I'm not "picking" or "choosing" a damn thing. I'm offering my opinion of a) how sexist and unfair Islamic tenets are toward women and b) how blind leftists/liberals/lefties/Democrats/whatever are to that fact despite the overall pro-feminism core value of liberalism itself.
Interesting how you sweep in and take a thinly-veiled jab at me as if you know anything about my value system other than what's offered in the the post that you're responding to. A little cocked and loaded, are ye?
You answered your own question in the bolded above. Most Muslims don't beat their wives. So the real question is, even as you are admitting this fact, why are you willing to treat all of them as if they do?
I'd also point out that many American Men Beat their wives too..SO with the false equivalence being suggested by the OP should really be applied to American culture too!! I do understand that there's a lot of concern surrounding what has been said for last year and half in American Politics. I for one am one!
It's amazing how some love to blame the whole for what some do..like suggesting the Police (LE) are ALL hated..but only the few who actually do the wrongful killings, targeting etc.. are the one's complained about. Then of course ALL liberals are stupid, ignorant snowflakes even tho most are no different that Republican citizens.
Why is it the Liberals are the only one's who care about equal rights..I'm pretty sure most Republican Women believe in equal rights?? Ohhh isn't there some sort of Legal document/Constitution or something that stipulates " Equal Rights under the Law"? How about Freedom of Religion ?? Isn't that too written into your Constitution?
When, I come upon so many threads from folks who constantly complain about liberals being for defending "Equal Rights" .. that MUST MEAN..those posters don't want equal rights..? Why is that?
I too find it strange so many "feminists" are so quick to defend a certain attitude about women in Muslim culture and/or Sharia law.
There ARE people in the Muslim community working to influence a "reformation" and they of course endanger their lives. We in the U.S. have the most liberal Muslims.
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