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Old 11-19-2016, 03:52 PM
 
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An open letter to Ben Affleck | Pakistan Today

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Your heart was in the right place, but…

Dear Ben,

I am writing to you today as a woman who was born and raised in Islam. I saw your discussion with Bill Maher and Sam Harris, and I must say you did me a great disservice that day. Your heart was in the right place, of course, and it was lovely of you to step up and defend ‘my people’.

What you really did though, perhaps inadvertently, was silence a conversation that never gets started. Two people attempted to begin a dialogue and you wouldn’t even listen. Why should any set of ideas be above criticism, Ben?

Why are Muslims being ‘preserved’ in some time capsule of centuries gone by? Why is it okay that we continue to live in a world where our women are compared to candy waiting to be consumed? Why is it okay for women of the rest of the world to fight for freedom and equality while we are told to cover our shameful bodies? Can’t you see that we are being held back from joining this elite club known as the 21st century?

Noble liberals like yourself always stand up for the misrepresented Muslims and stand against the Islamophobes, which is great but who stands in my corner and for the others who feel oppressed by the religion? Every time we raise our voices, one of us is killed or threatened. I am a blogger and illustrator, no threat to anyone, Ben, except for those afraid of words and drawings. I want the freedom to express myself without the very real fear that I might be killed for it. Is that too much to ask?

When I wrote a children’s book that carried a message of diversity and inclusivity for everyone, my life changed. My book, ‘My Chacha (uncle) is Gay’ has the innocent anti-homophobia message, ‘Love belongs to everyone’. This was not palatable to many of my Muslim brothers and sisters.

Since that project I have been declared an ‘enemy of God’ and deemed worthy of death. All because I want to help create a world where South Asian children too can have their stories told, so they too can know that love comes in all forms, and that that’s okay. My Muslim brothers and sisters were hit hard by this work because it addresses the issue of homophobia within our own community. It is not something they can pass off as ‘Western’ immorality. Just like they deny that any issues exist within the doctrine of Islam, many deny that homosexuality exists amongst good, ‘moral’ Muslims. Just like that, millions of people’s existence is denied. Please do not defend people who think this way, and let me tell you Ben, many ‘good’ Muslims do think this way.

What you did by screaming ‘racist!’ was shut down a conversation that many of us have been waiting to have. You helped those who wish to deny there are issues, deny them. You became an instant hero, a defender of Islam. It’s kind, it really is. I understand because I too am plagued and affected by the issues brought about by actual Islamophobia. I have a Muslim name and brown skin, my peaceful relatives have been pushed in the subway and called ‘terrorist’ for no reason.

I get that.

We must distinguish critiquing an ideology from being hateful towards a group of people. And for this reason I think that tackling the issues within Islam should be two-pronged. They must be brought up, but simultaneously we should stress that blame for these issues cannot be placed on individuals.

In the interest of being politically correct and ‘liberal’, we silence the voices of millions. I am turning to you because you were instrumental in starting this conversation. Those of us who want reform are muted by extremists, as well as the liberals who betray us in the name of multiculturalism.

ISIS paints a horrific picture, so I understand the knee-jerk reaction to deny any link. Most Muslims choose to interpret scripture in a peaceful way, but that doesn’t mean the raw material isn’t there for those who choose the path of violence. That material must be addressed.

Can we talk about the blatant double standards and violation of human rights, for a second? Mosques are built throughout western countries, usually without much issue. But in the hub of Islam, the heart of Islam, Saudi Arabia, no one but Muslims are allowed to officially practice their faith. There are no churches, temples or synagogues because Saudi Arabia will not permit any non-Muslim place of worship to exist. Who will hold them accountable for such injustice if we hush everyone who speaks out against Islam?

What is so wrong with wanting to step into the current century? There should be no shame. There is no denying that violence, misogyny and homophobia exist in all religious texts, but Islam is the only religion that is adhered to so literally, to this day.

In your culture you have the luxury of calling such literalists “crazies”, like the Westboro Baptist Church, for example. In my culture, such values are upheld by more people than we realise. Many will try to deny it, but please hear me when I say that these are not fringe values. It is apparent in the lacking numbers of Muslims willing to speak out against the archaic Shariah law. The punishment for blasphemy and apostasy, etc, are tools of oppression. Why are they not addressed even by the peaceful folk who “aren’t fanatical, who just want to have some sandwiches and pray five times a day? Where are the Muslim protestors against blasphemy laws/apostasy? Where are the Muslims who take a stand against harsh interpretation of Shariah? These sandwich-eating peaceful folk do not defend those suffering in the name of Islam, Ben, and therein lies our problem.

Maybe the points Maher and Harris were trying to make are more easily digested when coming from within the community, I can appreciate that. That is why I am writing to you, as someone who has personally been hurt by the lack of acknowledgement of these issues.

If Muslims do not critique their own atrocities, then people on the outside will and their message will not be listened to simply because of who they are. It’s a vicious cycle, one that can only break if indeed, like Harris said, true reformers are empowered.

I ask you and anyone reading this to make an effort to seek out reformers from within our community, and support them in any way you can.

If I were allowed to meet a man that is not my father, brother or husband unchaperoned, I would have loved to discuss this over drinks (which I am also not allowed to have) with you. So, you see, things must change.

Sincerely,

Eiynah
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Old 11-19-2016, 03:52 PM
 
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I too find it strange so many "feminists" are so quick to defend a certain attitude about women in Muslim culture and/or Sharia law.
There ARE people in the Muslim community working to influence a "reformation" and they of course endanger their lives. We in the U.S. have the most liberal Muslims.
It is even more shocking that gay people would be so accepting of Muslims. If a gay American goes to the UK, s/he can assume every other Muslim walking by thinks their sexuality should be outlawed.

Do you have a source for this bolded statement? I haven't found polling comparable to the British Muslim poll in America literature. Pew or Gallup did a watered down version a while back. Unlikely a poll like the British poll would be allowed to be done with our present political leadership.

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Old 11-19-2016, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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What is the punishment for apostasy in Islam? Can Muslim women marry men outside their religion according to islam? What is the reasoning behind the hijab? We need to ask these questions.
Most people who know about islam know the answers to these questions.

I'm fine with criticizing religious beliefs, especially fundamentalist beliefs, including islam. And in case you haven't heard me say it, I think fundamentalist religions sanction evil acts, and the world will be a better place when religious fundamentalism dies out.

I'm fine with religions, including islam, that preach the golden rule.

If a muslim here beats his wife or children, I think he should land in jail. But that's not an attitude specific to islam, I'd say the same about a christian, an atheist, or a hindu who beat his wife and children.

And I think there are lots of countries in the world where unconscionable acts are allowed. Islam is a minority religion in china, but I don't notice that anyone thinks china is a great country just because muslims are a minority and don't have much influence.

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Old 11-19-2016, 04:01 PM
 
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In Leftist thinking, anything considered positive Europeans accomplish or do (which the left rarely credits in the first place), in this case embrace female equality, everyone else non-European can do better.

Once you understand this concept, every nonsensical thing lefties say and do makes sense in a way.


Now even if we erroneously conclude that the medieval east people didn't create Islam and their culture and it's the other way around, you can hardly separate a person from their religion, least of all one like Islam. The only proper solution is for Western and middle eastern cultures to remain separated.
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Old 11-19-2016, 04:07 PM
 
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It isn't up to me to criticize someones religious beliefs. I can and will criticize the ACTIONS of those that I disagree with. This thread seems to want to paint all Muslims as those that beat their wives or have a harem, and that isn't reality.

Is beating your spouse bad? Yes.
Is treating women as less than bad? Yes.
Do all Muslims do this? No.
Do people that aren't Muslims do this? Yes.

Maybe we should be against ANYONE beating their spouse or subjugating women regardless of their religious or political beliefs.
Maybe its time to criticize the attitudes that sanction this type of behavior. Actions dont arise in vacuums. They are the results of attitudes. And as long as you are unwilling to criticize any power system or religion that sanction appalling attitudes, then we will never progress.
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Old 11-19-2016, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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I don't know if British Muslims are comparable to American Muslims, but I found this article and poll eye opening.

Survey taken of British Muslims representative sample of 1,000 Muslims across the UK between 25 April and 31 May 2015:

52% said it should be illegal to be gay.

47% said gays should not be allowed to be teachers.

39% said "wives should obey their husbands".

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ity-sharia-law
I wonder what those answers would be if put to fundamentalist Christians or Orthodox Jews in the United States.
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Old 11-19-2016, 04:17 PM
 
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I wonder what those answers would be if put to fundamentalist Christians or Orthodox Jews in the United States.
It'd be lower for sure but that's irrelevant because they have been a part of our American culture for centuries really from the beginning and they never ever created a culture here like the medieval east is even today, and they are not trying to storm our gates with immigration.

Liberal anti-western moral equivalency .
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Old 11-19-2016, 04:18 PM
 
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What is the punishment for apostasy in Islam? Can Muslim women marry men outside their religion according to islam? What is the reasoning behind the hijab? We need to ask these questions.
The hijab is worn for modesty. Did you know that some orthodox Jewish women wear wig for the same reason: a woman's hair is for her husband's eyes only?

As for the other things, this isn't a theocracy, and no one in America is in danger of being punished for leaving Islam, nor are Muslim women in this country prevented from marrying anyone they please.

Lastly, US government and business interests have been in bed with Muslim regimes in the Middle East for *decades,* usually because of oil. How do we justify that?
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Old 11-19-2016, 04:22 PM
 
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Lastly, US government and business interests have been in bed with Muslim regimes in the Middle East for *decades,* usually because of oil. How do we justify that?
Want oil. Do not want immigration, mosques and CAIR etc here.
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Old 11-19-2016, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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Liberals ought to watch the movie- Not Without My Daughter with Sally Fields.
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