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Old 11-21-2016, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Florida
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So what if the electors change their votes? That's the way the system was set up to work in the first place folks.
That's kind of why I started this thread. So, have they every changed their vote?

Yes, it is actually not un-common at individual level, but there has been only one instance when nearly changed the outcome of the elections. Long time ago, ALL Virginia electors flipped their votes and voted for the guy who had lost the elections, and they did it to protest the VP pick, who they found unacceptable. That time the Senate stepped in and decided the elections. This was in 1836, and I am not sure of the Senate had the authority to do that, but I supposed they must have.
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Old 11-21-2016, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I don't recall any riots after his election, or calls to amend the Constitution to abolish the electoral college
It would not have made any sense since McCain lost both the popular, and the electoral votes, so it would not have made any difference.

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In all but a few states they are legally bound to vote for the candidate that the citizens of the state voted for. That is our system, and the founders wisely chose this system so that large population centers alone did not decide who would be president, with those in between without a voice.
Right, which is why they are trying to appeal to them to not cast their vote foe Trump. The system allows it.
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Old 11-21-2016, 07:38 AM
 
Location: A tropical island
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I've wondered how many people hoping for the electors to flip their votes to Hillary understand who these electors are.

They are not "neutral" people filling a role of voting whichever way their state happened to vote. Each state has a slate of active, rock-solid Democrat electors, who get to cast their electoral college votes IF the Democratic candidate won in their state, and each state has a slate of active, rock-solid Republican electors, who get to cast their electoral college votes IF the Republican candidate won in their state.

How many active, rock-solid Republican electors are likely to be swayed by a petition or protests, and cast their electoral college votes for Hillary???
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Old 11-21-2016, 07:42 AM
 
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The time to drop these protests is long past due, if they want to do something positive then start focusing towards the 2018 mid-term elections.
Or better yet, cleaning up their own party.

Have the D voters forgotten how they got totally boned by the Tammany Hall-like backroom deals that sandbagged Sanders from the git-go and anointed Mrs' Clinton or or they just too gullible to believe it really happened?
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Old 11-21-2016, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I've wondered how many people hoping for the electors to flip their votes to Hillary understand who these electors are.

They are not "neutral" people filling a role of voting whichever way their state happened to vote. Each state has a slate of active, rock-solid Democrat electors, who get to cast their electoral college votes IF the Democratic candidate won in their state, and each state has a slate of active, rock-solid Republican electors, who get to cast their electoral college votes IF the Republican candidate won in their state.

How many active, rock-solid Republican electors are likely to be swayed by a petition or protests, and cast their electoral college votes for Hillary???
Quite a few Republicans, including the Bushes, voted for Hillary. Lots of Republicans opposed Trump.
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Old 11-21-2016, 08:17 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Dear Liberal, Conservatives can cry, and have been crying just as loud, if not louder. I can't count how many petitions they have created to have Obama impeached, or obamacare overturned etc. Google it.
There is a difference. Trump has not even yet been sworn in.

Obama, in violation of the Constitution, refused to uphold laws he didn't agree with. He regularly bypassed congress and issued "executive orders" which amounted to law (which are not the proper use of e.o.'s - Congress makes law, not the President [separation of powers]). Additionally, there are other reasons why Obama should have been impeached, which were valid reasons.
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Old 11-21-2016, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Florida
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There is a difference. Trump has not even yet been sworn in.
The whining in 2008 also started before Obama had taken office. You have a very selective memory.


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Old 11-21-2016, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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So what if the electors change their votes? That's the way the system was set up to work in the first place folks. The same people thumbing their noses at 600K more people who voted for Hillary because of the electoral college working how it was designed to...call people names and say it's wasting time to try to get the electoral college to work the way it's supposed to by having the electors change their votes, which they legally can do..........

Don't get scared Trump worshippers, it probably won't happen..but it could..and anything that makes you ease up on the pointless team sports gloating for a few minutes and gain a little more humility would be good for you.
If we went back to original intent, it'd be very interesting. The founding fathers did not believe that the people could responsibly choose somebody as big and important as the President of the United States they had created. They believed that special smarter folks needed to do it for them -- which is where the Electoral College came from in the first place.

Direct override the choice of the popular vote within each state has been tried only once. The electors believed that John Quincy Adams would be a vastly better president than Andrew Jackson. A whole bunch of them went against the popular vote of their states and voted for Adams, giving him victory. And the American people were ticked. Ever since then, laws have been put in place forcing electors to vote for the candidate they were designated for.

So I'm not sure if the electors can vote for Hillary even if they wanted to. If they're a Trump elector, they have to vote for Trump. There may be exceptions but it's rare.
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Old 11-21-2016, 11:01 AM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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Just think, had 61 million of their friends all voted on November 8th Clinton might have won the election in the first place.
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Old 11-21-2016, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Did you call the Tea Partiers disparaging names when they started their petitions? Other conservative groups? I didn't. People have been doing petitions for a very long time.

Name calling only makes things worse. Its funny the name-callers do their best to divide the nation, and then they complain about how divided we are, or even blame it on their favorite political opponent.
They earned the title by their actions. Safe space, cry babies,coddled with extreme measures. Yup ,Snowflakes, or just plain flakes.

Fact is the left does all the
Name calling. A big list of phobias.
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