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Old 11-22-2016, 01:58 PM
 
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Honestly, both Democrats and Republicans need to just grow up!! When George W Bush won in 2000, there was no end of hand-wringing and whining about the "stolen election." The GOP spent all 8 years of Obama's presidency looking for an excuse to impeach him and fought him on everything (even things that they supposedly believed in) just as a matter of "principle." The same was also true of the Democrats when W was in, though thanks to the unifying affect of 9/11 it was far less blatant.

We may never even find out if Trump can do all the crap he claims he can. The Democrats will go so far out of their way to stop him that we'll never get to find out.

And that is why both parties just need to die. They're so obsessively locked into their stupid feud they can't even function anymore.
It's like Boyz N The Hood. A never ending circle of revenge for some perceived slight. The party system needs to go, but without it would anything ever get done, or would it just be a bunch of completely independent people putting out ideas for laws that will never get enough support to pass? Or would better ideas get passed without all the pork attached just to get this or that senator on board?

I would love for a temporary experiment (one session and then revert back). If it worked out great, then they could always vote to make it permanent.
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Old 11-22-2016, 02:03 PM
 
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Quite a few Republicans, including the Bushes, voted for Hillary. Lots of Republicans opposed Trump.
That was before he won. Their main objection was that he would lose all their down-ballot elections and cost them the majority. That argument is lost now.
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Old 11-22-2016, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Finn,

what is your opinion on this

BEFORE the election, the networks and analysts' were saying it was possible/ even probable that Hillary would win the EC but Trump might take the PV.

IF that had happened, do you think there would be as big of a remorse from the losing side, like there is from the losing side on how the election actually turned out

while we may be on different sides politically, you have always shown to be fair for the most part
I think they are wasting their time. The PV means nothing.

If tables were reversed the same would be happening. Heck, Team Trump complained a full year about rigged elections, including the electoral system being rigged and all that was BEFORE the elections. That has never happened before. Him, and his supporters would have been all over the place if he had won the PV and lost the EC.
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Old 11-22-2016, 06:33 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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I think they are wasting their time. The PV means nothing.

If tables were reversed the same would be happening. Heck, Team Trump complained a full year about rigged elections, including the electoral system being rigged and all that was BEFORE the elections. That has never happened before. Him, and his supporters would have been all over the place if he had won the PV and lost the EC.
Though I don't think the violence or the daily protests would have occurred. The usual news pundits would be spinning on their heads, there'd be calls for boycotts and a congressional investigation but I highly doubt that what's going on now in many places around the country would have happened. I also believe the majority of it would have pretty much settled down while some kind of investigation was called for and they'd then go on to attack Trump and his campaign for blowing it "uuhhuuugely".

The right, or conservatives if you will don't react like the left does, never really has, at least as long as I've known, unless you know of some riots,looting and burning that has happened? Hell, there's really never been any mass protests about anything that I can think of.
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Old 11-22-2016, 07:35 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Someone asked me for a signature, so I had to look it up. It is true, they are collecting signatures for the electorate to vote for Hillary instead of Trump, and since there is no legal mandate for them to vote for Trump, it is at least theoretically possible, they would do it.

I didn't sign, but apparently they have over 1.3 million signatures already.

Petition for electoral college coup against Trump gets more than 1 million signatures

Anger and discontent over President-elect Donald Trumpís victory is being channeled into an electoral college coup attempt. More than a million people have signed a petition urging electors from states Trump won to cast their votes instead for Hillary Clinton

So!

The Constitution cannot be changed by petition.....

Too bad, so sad!


Article II

Section 1.

The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:
Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.
The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves. And they shall make a list of all the persons voted for, and of the number of votes for each; which list they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such majority, and have an equal number of votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately choose by ballot one of them for President; and if no person have a majority, then from the five highest on the list the said House shall in like manner choose the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by States, the representation from each state having one vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. In every case, after the choice of the President, the person having the greatest number of votes of the electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal votes, the Senate shall choose from them by ballot the Vice President.
The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States.
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Old 12-19-2016, 07:12 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
Someone asked me for a signature, so I had to look it up. It is true, they are collecting signatures for the electorate to vote for Hillary instead of Trump, and since there is no legal mandate for them to vote for Trump, it is at least theoretically possible, they would do it.

I didn't sign, but apparently they have over 1.3 million signatures already.

Petition for electoral college coup against Trump gets more than 1 million signatures

Anger and discontent over President-elect Donald Trumpís victory is being channeled into an electoral college coup attempt. More than a million people have signed a petition urging electors from states Trump won to cast their votes instead for Hillary Clinton
I guess that didn't turn out like they hoped.
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Old 12-19-2016, 07:55 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
Someone asked me for a signature, so I had to look it up. It is true, they are collecting signatures for the electorate to vote for Hillary instead of Trump, and since there is no legal mandate for them to vote for Trump, it is at least theoretically possible, they would do it.

I didn't sign, but apparently they have over 1.3 million signatures already.

Petition for electoral college coup against Trump gets more than 1 million signatures

Anger and discontent over President-elect Donald Trumpís victory is being channeled into an electoral college coup attempt. More than a million people have signed a petition urging electors from states Trump won to cast their votes instead for Hillary Clinton

at least a few million people learned how to write their name


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Old 12-19-2016, 08:04 PM
 
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at least a few million people learned how to write their name


And made a few bucks.... I bet IPs would show nothing South America
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Old 12-19-2016, 08:08 PM
 
Location: 60630
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I don't understand...if every single American eligible to vote actually voted....Mr Trump might not have won. I am in school with a bunch of people,mostly in their 20's and non of them voted but they are the biggest cry babies. I just don't get it.
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Old 12-19-2016, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Right here; Right now
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I don't understand...if every single American eligible to vote actually voted....Mr Trump might not have won. I am in school with a bunch of people,mostly in their 20's and non of them voted but they are the biggest cry babies. I just don't get it.
If every single American eligible to vote that could not make up their mind between the two voted Libertarian. we would have had a whole new day in government. 4 million people did it; left their mark they really want more choices.
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