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Old 12-10-2016, 10:09 AM
 
Location: A van down by the river
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
Last week we were talking. This week there are 13,000 volunteers ready to mobilize and get working to spread the message, and Donald Trump hasnt even taken office yet. LOL.

I suppose we actually owe his absurd ascendency to the White House a vote of thanks for getting us to take this seriously.

Trump's actions as far as the following three issues are going to be pivotal:
-Immigration
-Environment
-Health Care
Haha "ready to mobilize" 13,000 people in a nation of 400 million and state of 50 million. More people live on skid row in LA than have "mobilized" for this stupidity but I hope more do. No one like or needs the drain that is California. We are tired of babysitting you and making sure you are fed and have water crybabies.

 
Old 12-10-2016, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Haha "ready to mobilize" 13,000 people in a nation of 400 million and state of 50 million. More people live on skid row in LA than have "mobilized" for this stupidity but I hope more do. No one like or needs the drain that is California. We are tired of babysitting you and making sure you are fed and have water crybabies.
Blah Blah Blah. Yawns.

ONCE AGAIN, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR:

1. YOU DONT BAIL US OUT, EVER. AS IF.

2. CALIFORNIA bails out a bunch of moocher red states every year. This country holds California back.

3. 90% of California's water sources are completely in-state.

4. Our environmental policies are off limits-DONT TEST US.

5. Our non-felon undocumented immigrants are off limits-DONT TEST US

6. Californians are NOT bent out of shape about helping others-its on our own dime, and our economy is stronger than yours-so get over it.

7. The hard work and sacrifices made by generations past and blood spilt by soldiers is totally wasted on the lazy lay abouts in the rust belt and deep south who contribute NOTHING to this country, lack ambition and blame the govt for their inability to find a job.

Sorry, Californians are doers, not yappers, and too many other states quite frankly, leeches.

Our 'illegals' are more productive than millions of entitled freeloaders in White America who blame Obama and Hillary for their plight? How pathetic.

Haha sorry but no man, not even the president can stop u from changing careers, going back to school or moving to where the jobs are.

Yawns
 
Old 12-10-2016, 03:38 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Blah Blah Blah. Yawns.

ONCE AGAIN, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR:

1. YOU DONT BAIL US OUT, EVER. AS IF.

2. CALIFORNIA bails out a bunch of moocher red states every year. This country holds California back.

3. 90% of California's water sources are completely in-state.

4. Our environmental policies are off limits-DONT TEST US.

5. Our non-felon undocumented immigrants are off limits-DONT TEST US

6. Californians are NOT bent out of shape about helping others-its on our own dime, and our economy is stronger than yours-so get over it.

7. The hard work and sacrifices made by generations past and blood spilt by soldiers is totally wasted on the lazy lay abouts in the rust belt and deep south who contribute NOTHING to this country, lack ambition and blame the govt for their inability to find a job.

Sorry, Californians are doers, not yappers, and too many other states quite frankly, leeches.

Our 'illegals' are more productive than millions of entitled freeloaders in White America who blame Obama and Hillary for their plight? How pathetic.

Haha sorry but no man, not even the president can stop u from changing careers, going back to school or moving to where the jobs are.

Yawns
Keep living in your alternate universe. CA will end up towing the Federal line when it comes to immigration, whatever that policy ends up being or risk their leaders being jailed/federal funds cut off. CA will end up being their own worst enemy with their whackadoo laws, they will end up imploding as the draught continues fighting amongst themselves for what potable water is left. If the drought gets real bad SOCAL will be on it's own, wonder how that will go over? CA is one major disaster away from being crippled for years to come.

CA will either change or eventually price/regulate themselves out of competition as other states cut taxes, reduce regulations and make a more business friendly environment literally sucking companies wanting to survive and make money out of the state.

It may not happen today,tomorrow or next month but it is coming as CA is really not all that special business wise.
 
Old 12-10-2016, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Keep living in your alternate universe. CA will end up towing the Federal line when it comes to immigration, whatever that policy ends up being or risk their leaders being jailed/federal funds cut off. CA will end up being their own worst enemy with their whackadoo laws, they will end up imploding as the draught continues fighting amongst themselves for what potable water is left. If the drought gets real bad SOCAL will be on it's own, wonder how that will go over? CA is one major disaster away from being crippled for years to come.

CA will either change or eventually price/regulate themselves out of competition as other states cut taxes, reduce regulations and make a more business friendly environment literally sucking companies wanting to survive and make money out of the state.

It may not happen today,tomorrow or next month but it is coming as CA is really not all that special business wise.
Nope..no jail for not enforcing federal law try reading the 10th amendment. Cutting off funds, maybe but they will have to be limited to those activities which have a direct relationship to the activity, i.e. cut off police grants but not HUD or SNAP funds (I posted the relevant case law in a different thread but I'm sure you can find it if you are interested).

You need to quit worrying so much about California, we will be just fine bless your little heart.
 
Old 12-10-2016, 05:00 PM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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hows that calexit movement going.....probably not so good

so go ahead...try to have the state leave the country.... you will STIll be paying...either that or you will LOSE all the federal military money

all your national guard..will be paid by the state...not the federal government


all the military bases (32 of them), will no longer be federal...you will lose that money

all the defense contractors....you lose that to (55 billion worth)

the 28 national parks (which you receive federal monies for)...no longer federal...no longer getting federal money for

36 national natural landmarks (for which you receive federal money for upkeep)....you lose that too

145 national historic landmarks(for which you receive federal money for upkeep)....you lose that too

9 wild and scenic rivers...managed and paid by the national parks service.... you lose that too

then there is the money Cali OWES the federal government....California borrowed $10 billion from the federal government to shore up its recession-battered Unemployment Insurance Fund. Even though the state’s economy is now booming, it still owes the feds about $8 billion.
California is paying interest on the loan, an estimated $174.5 million this year, according to a new report from the state Employment Development Department, and the balance is shrinking only because in lieu of direct payments, the Department of Labor has raised taxes on employers.


then you have all the federal money cali gets for its colleges:
University of California, San Diego....Total federal R&D grant money 2016 : $637 million
Stanford University........................ Total federal R&D grant money 2016 : $656 million....Stanford took in nearly $72 million from the Department of Defense and $445 million from HHS





not to mention all the 'other' federal agencies that have FEDERAL employees in California....200,000 FEDERAL employees (most making atleast 60k)... you lose all that FEDERAL incomes and revenue that the FEDERAL government GIVES your state...these employees SPEND money in your state


not to mention the 11 military bases in California...all funded with FEDERAL MONEY....and all the Soldiers, Marines, Airmen and Sailors who work there...spend FEDERAL MONEY IN CALIFORNIA


yeah...you go right ahead and continue to say how much better your guys will be as your own country....... there is an old saying...the grass is greener


California will be broke if they leave
 
Old 12-10-2016, 05:02 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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This is craziness.

No state is seceding.

Period.
 
Old 12-10-2016, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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then there is the money Cali OWES the federal government.
California doesnt owe anything.

Every penny the federal govt spends in this state is tens of billions of dollars LESS than what we pay in taxes every year.

This^ fact seems to really offend the right wing LIES that youve all cultivated over the years. Theyve become talking points.

It's all a farce. California along with about 16 other states thar are almost all BLUE carry this country on their backs.

Trump won all the entitled moocher red states--not a surprise.


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California will be broke if they leave
We're going broke BECAUSE we're attached to about 30 moocher states that are totally USELESS.

California needs this country like we need cancer.

#theUSisholdingCAback
 
Old 12-10-2016, 05:49 PM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
California doesnt owe anything.

FACT
California borrowed $10 billion from the federal government to shore up its recession-battered Unemployment Insurance Fund. Even though the state’s economy is now booming, it still owes the feds about $8 billion.

California is paying interest on the loan, an estimated $174.5 million this year,
 
Old 12-10-2016, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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It's not gonna happen, don't fall this ridiculousness.
 
Old 12-10-2016, 06:00 PM
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I won't go through besides we have to help bring the redneck states into the 21st century.
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