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Old 11-22-2016, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Divided Tribes of America
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Simple: kids

If you start young enough, you can convince anybody of anything.
True. How do you think the Christian Right keeps people believing that the earth is 10,000 years old? Childhood brainwashing is perfectly legal in the US as long as it's done under the pretense of religion.
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Old 11-22-2016, 08:41 PM
 
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This is the great mystery of our time. It's understandable that some groups have pushed this worldview, but how did it go mainstream and become so dominant? How did so many, mainly white, people by into an ideology that demonized them? At least now it seems like many are stepping back and looking at the question.
Maybe I'm perceptive or sensitive to propaganda and brainwashing against me and reality. But all my life watching the media, academia and the workplace I saw what seemed to me to be brainwashing and propaganda if not outright coercion. I think the people are just brainwashed and conditioned from over the last 60 years or more.
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Old 11-22-2016, 08:47 PM
 
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True. How do you think the Christian Right keeps people believing that the earth is 10,000 years old? Childhood brainwashing is perfectly legal in the US as long as it's done under the pretense of religion.
That's not what the Christian right necessarily believe but what is to you if they want to believe that? How does it affect you?
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Old 11-22-2016, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Japan
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The Internet has given a voice to people who previously were outside the realm of mainstream politics. It's the same thing as the alt-right. How did we get to the point where people idolizing Hitler and his worldview gets mainstream attention?
It's not the same thing at all. The OP is labeling "far left" what is commonly called the liberal mainstream view espoused by the vast majority of media people. This is coming from the NYT and Harvard, not the internet, yet it is radical. As for idolizing Hitler, please, do a little more thoughtful research and realize that the tiny number of neo-Nazis is of no significance, even within the world of alternative right politics.
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Old 11-22-2016, 08:51 PM
 
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???? What is far left to you? Your title is very inaccurate. I cannot read your text. Break it down and make it easier to read. Although, I don't think there is much of substance so - never mind. Have a good night and don't let the liberal extremists bite.
Yes, it's much better to attack the individual, whose first language is probably not English, rather than respond to the substance of his very clear posting, the typical extremist tactic we're all tired of. To the OP--I think this election proves that the attitudes you cite are NOT mainstream--the American people have had enough of this nonsense and have rejected it. But we need to be strong and steady because there will be continuing attacks from the hysterical fanatics from the left who are devoid of clear thinking, knowledge of history and even compassion. It was the media/educational complex that made us think these attitudes were "mainstream"---they have the platform and know how to use it to fool impressionable young people.

I applaud you, keep up the good work and keep your eyes open.
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Old 11-22-2016, 08:51 PM
 
Location: California
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People stopped teaching, and media/journalists stopped reporting, anything that didn't lean a certain way. When people aren't exposed to anything else they just start accepting. It's unfortunate what we've done.
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Old 11-22-2016, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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How did far-left extreme ideologies became so mainstream?
They dominate the media and the schools. When they have the opportunity to brainwash people most of their waking hours you'll find a lot of people falling for it.
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Old 11-22-2016, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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The Internet has given a voice to people who previously were outside the realm of mainstream politics. It's the same thing as the alt-right. How did we get to the point where people idolizing Hitler and his worldview gets mainstream attention?
How did we get here? Because of the left again. If they didn't give the Hitler lovers air time in their attempts to smear Trump and anyone right of Chuck Schumer no one would know the modern day nazis existed. But no, you have to give them a platform in an attempt to make your party look better (fail).
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Old 11-22-2016, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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When society emphasizes feelings over facts, rational discourse becomes impossible.

Language policing is this generation's WW2.
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Old 11-23-2016, 12:45 AM
 
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There are no viable far-left movements in the US.

Ms. Clinton was center-right by global metrics of "left vs. right."
Far left is when people are coerced by force (tax, nationalization) and shaming (calling them racist, nazi, xenophobic, evil, indecent, immoral, misoginist ...) into giving up their property, to let their property taken by previously poor groups. 100 years ago in russia it was the working class, now in the USA it is some racial minorities. Property can be income taxation, it can be job or educational opportunities (AA), their country (to 3rd world migrants, aka the neweest proletariat).

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It's not the same thing at all. The OP is labeling "far left" what is commonly called the liberal mainstream view espoused by the vast majority of media people. This is coming from the NYT and Harvard, not the internet, yet it is radical. As for idolizing Hitler, please, do a little more thoughtful research and realize that the tiny number of neo-Nazis is of no significance, even within the world of alternative right politics.
Left wants some redistribition by asking, far left demands it and try to aggressively attack and destroy all resistance.

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Yes, it's much better to attack the individual, whose first language is probably not English, rather than respond to the substance of his very clear posting, the typical extremist tactic we're all tired of. To the OP--I think this election proves that the attitudes you cite are NOT mainstream--the American people have had enough of this nonsense and have rejected it. But we need to be strong and steady because there will be continuing attacks from the hysterical fanatics from the left who are devoid of clear thinking, knowledge of history and even compassion. It was the media/educational complex that made us think these attitudes were "mainstream"---they have the platform and know how to use it to fool impressionable young people.

I applaud you, keep up the good work and keep your eyes open.
Thanks.
I was born in Hungary, we had 40 years of communisst dictatorship there until 1989. Eastern european people are very familiar with the far left tactics, like shaming people publicly, political correctness (if you dont praise the heroic workers of the country, you are an enemy), confiscation of private businesses, blocking carreers... The old form of communism had the good guy (victim) the working class and the bad guy (oppressor) the business owner. The new type has the bad guy (oppressor) the nationalist native people with their traditions and language, the good guy (victim) the african migrants. MArxism mixed with post-colonialism, post-modernism, reverse racism. But people who lived through full communism, recognize it, that is why 70-98% of eastern europeans refuse to let migrants in. In the USA it is the similar secret agenda of open borders and sanctuary cities, but the same good guy bad guy story. I can recognize the far left both in Europe and in the USA. Western Europe and the US did not live through full communism decades ago, they are trying to build it now. If they fully succeeded (letting in hundreds of millions migrants from 3rd world), this time, the damage would be irreparable. If the culture (table manners, trust-based society, safe neighborhoods, language, common law, continuation of the American culture...) is lost due to non integrating globally-oppressed migrants settling and outnumbering native born people, then the national cohesion and America will be lost forever.
The way it seems to happen normally, is a country tips over in favor of social justice (marxism, communism etc), get their communist dictators, kill millions of people (business owners, epper and middle classes, educated people), then they suffer for several decades (20-70 years) until the economy collapses and turn back to democracy and capitalism. It can be prolonged by external financing. Hungary started taking World Bank loans for living/operating expenses for more than 10 years before the collapse, without that it would have ended by 1979 not 1989. North Korea is subsidized by China as a pet project, otherwise they would be out already. In the past it was only an economic problem (besides the death toll and ruined lives), but after mixing race and post-colonial-guilt into it is PERMANENT destruction of culture and national identity. Communism (and also Islamism) are far worse than other isms invented before.
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