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Old 11-23-2016, 08:40 AM
 
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That article was published in 2014, so unless NYT has a crystal ball, I am going to go with no.

The Times is not defending people who actually molest children and nobody, save some extreme fringe groups, is suggesting that child molestation should not be a crime. People that have these thoughts though and have not acted on them should be able to get help dealing with them without being persecuted. Do we really want to go down the road of having thought police?

They can do that now. They are protected under doctor patient privilege, as long as they do not threaten anyone.
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Old 11-23-2016, 08:41 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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Just to be clear...

The article is in the Opinion section of the NYT and the writer, Margo Kaplan (Rutgers Law), is listed as Op-Ed Contributor.

For those that don't know what an op-ed is, it is an essay in a newspaper or magazine that gives the opinion of the writer and that is written by someone who is not employed by the newspaper or magazine.

I don't believe for one second that NYT is supporting or backing the molestation of children..... The article doesn't even discuss the crime but the attraction.

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Part of this failure stems from the misconception that pedophilia is the same as child molestation. One can live with pedophilia and not act on it. Sites like Virtuous Pedophiles provide support for pedophiles who do not molest children and believe that sex with children is wrong. It is not that these individuals are “inactive” or “nonpracticing” pedophiles, but rather that pedophilia is a status and not an act. In fact, research shows, about half of all child molesters are not sexually attracted to their victims.
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Old 11-23-2016, 08:42 AM
 
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If you read the article, that is not what its arguing at all.
It isn't but it didn't do a very good job of it. People are not arrested and put in prison or forcibly put into a mental institution just for admitting they are attracted to people of a certain age. You actually have to act upon it.

If you want to argue that we are not doing enough to research why some are able to move beyond a certain point of development and others are not, I'm fully on board.
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Old 11-23-2016, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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This article seems to suggest that less stigma and more support for pedophiles would reduce these crimes. This is unproven.

If according to the article, pedophilia is not a choice, then I wonder if professional therapy really helps in this situation.

It is better for them to live in isolation. Away from kids.
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Old 11-23-2016, 08:50 AM
 
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If a pedophile hasn't acted on these "thoughts", I wouldn't call him/her a criminal. But I believe these people who suffer from this condition should be living in isolation, away from kids.
Well, if that was the case, then nobody would ever willingly admit to these thoughts and you would not know that they posed a threat until after they committed a crime.
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Old 11-23-2016, 08:51 AM
 
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I understand what they're implying. Pedophilia itself isn't a crime, the sexual act upon a child is a crime and I agree. However, the wording of the story seems to be a call for sympathy towards those who give in to temptations because of their condition. Not from myself. If a person is feeling sexual attraction to children then that person should seek psychiatric treatment. No shame in seeking help plus patient confidentiality means friends, family, and police cannot access your records.
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Old 11-23-2016, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Well, if that was the case, then nobody would ever willingly admit to these thoughts and you would not know that they posed a threat until after they committed a crime.
well, I doubt most of them would admit they are pedophile even if the society creates a non-judgmental Environment for them.

The MOST this article will accomplish is this.

Okay, you are a pedophile, you are not a monster YET. But please stay away from my children. No?
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Old 11-23-2016, 08:55 AM
 
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Honestly, if we plan on bringing more and more Muslims, we should be accommodating for them. The beautiful and almighty Quran preaches it!
It does?
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Old 11-23-2016, 08:55 AM
 
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Any explanation for the president-elects' onetime affinity with Jeff Epstein?

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...nt/p73/a263754

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...sqmscwispu.jpg
One time... maybe he found out what was going on and got the heck out of there.

Bill Clinton on the other hand... never mind...
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Old 11-23-2016, 08:57 AM
 
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This article seems to suggest that less stigma and more support for pedophiles would reduce these crimes. This is unproven.
You have to at least try something before you can find out that it works.

Peadophile support groups sound horrible, but if there is even the potential that it might help prevent them from committing crimes, than its worth the effort.

Let them get together and talk about it.
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