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Old 11-23-2016, 12:47 PM
 
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Let's see. He is surrounding himself with people who oppose it tooth and nail.
Which is why I said I expected him to do the same. The article was trying to pretend that Obama was different.
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Old 11-23-2016, 12:48 PM
 
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Maybe the prison industry lobbyists gave Trump a call. It looks like we're going back to harsh sentencing for minor drug offences and escalate the use of mandatory minimum sentencing.

After Obama Push for Clemency, Hints of Reversal Likely to Come

President Obama is on pace to be the first president in a half-century to leave office with a federal prison population that is smaller than when he was sworn in, a reflection of eight years of liberal criminal justice policies, historically low crime rates and an aggressive use of presidential commutations.

President-elect Donald J. Trump’s nominee for attorney general, Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama, strongly opposed Mr. Obama’s liberal approach to criminal justice. Mr. Sessions favors vigorous enforcement of drug laws and the use of mandatory minimum sentences.
You mean the same Jeff Sessions who co-sponsored the Fairness Sentencing Act which lowered the sentences of crack cocaine use which tended to disproportionately impact blacks?

Oh, so sorry to drag that fact into this.
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Old 11-23-2016, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Which is why I said I expected him to do the same. The article was trying to pretend that Obama was different.
Clearly they have a very different view of it. Obama favored more lenient sentencing, while Trump is the opposite.
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Old 11-23-2016, 12:52 PM
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I am not pro-legalization, but I am also NOT for locking people up for possession. That costs everyone money, and not only in housing prisoners, but also in losing a tax payer who is in prison, and after they get out (they tend to not find jobs after release).

The question goes back to what Trump admin is going to do about it. For example Miami/Ft Lauderdale area no longer arrest people for possession of pot, but instead give them a ticket. Will the new admin demand harsher punishment? Will they threaten to cut funding to the State if they don't lock them up, like they are doing regarding to immigration?
I actually don't have a problem with just giving them a ticket. It keeps their record clean so that they're not forever barred from decent employment, it generates money rather than spends it, and it's in general a compromise I'm relatively OK with.

My issue is with the prospect of imprisoning people for personal recreational drug use.
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Old 11-23-2016, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You mean the same Jeff Sessions who co-sponsored the Fairness Sentencing Act which lowered the sentences of crack cocaine use which tended to disproportionately impact blacks?
The same Sessions who favors vigorous enforcement of drug laws and the use of mandatory minimum sentences, and is opposes to pot legalization.

Defend him all you want, but his views are what they are.
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Old 11-23-2016, 12:56 PM
 
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Clearly they have a very different view of it. Obama favored more lenient sentencing, while Trump is the opposite.
Obama’s medical marijuana prosecutions probably aren’t legal
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Old 11-23-2016, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Maybe the prison industry lobbyists gave Trump a call. It looks like we're going back to harsh sentencing for minor drug offences and escalate the use of mandatory minimum sentencing.
“There still remains in this country a limited number of people who will rob, rape, shoot and kill you. There’s not that many,” Mr. Sessions said in 2004. “You identify those, and they serve longer periods of time, you’ll have a reduction in crime in America. "

From your link. I assume you do not agree with this.

Oh, and show me where Trump says he wants "harsh sentencing for minor drug offences "
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Old 11-23-2016, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Florida
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“There still remains in this country a limited number of people who will rob, rape, shoot and kill you. There’s not that many,” Mr. Sessions said in 2004. “You identify those, and they serve longer periods of time, you’ll have a reduction in crime in America. "

From your link. I assume you do not agree with this.

Oh, and show me where Trump says he wants "harsh sentencing for minor drug offences "
From the link:

"Donald J. Trump’s nominee for attorney general, Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama, strongly opposed Mr. Obama’s liberal approach to criminal justice. Mr. Sessions favors vigorous enforcement of drug laws and the use of mandatory minimum sentences."
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Old 11-23-2016, 03:49 PM
 
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The US has wasted more than a trillion dollars on the foolhardy effort to end drugs.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein.

The US has more prisons and inmates than any other country in the world. One of the worst parts of the incarceration for drugs is that inmates are still doing their drugs behind bars. In the US the average national recidivism rate for released prisoners is 43.3%. The only people doing well with US drug abuse are the Prisons for Profit. The problem there is that we are the suckers paying the bill.
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Old 11-23-2016, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Austin
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From the link:

"Donald J. Trump’s nominee for attorney general, Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama, strongly opposed Mr. Obama’s liberal approach to criminal justice. Mr. Sessions favors vigorous enforcement of drug laws and the use of mandatory minimum sentences."
OK, but that's not what you posted.

Show me where Trump says he wants "harsh sentencing for minor drug offences " as you posted.
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