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Old 11-26-2016, 08:46 AM
 
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do arithmetic without any computer assistance -
I can't agree with that. I loved learning new math in school but despised the repetitive work involved. I also didn't think in the way most people would address math, what they were teaching me often didn't apply because I came up with my own solutions. Memorizing 9*8 became (9*10)-8, that may seem odd but that evolved and I was able to calculate huge numbers in my head. If I was allowed to use a calculator in school I could of moved onto learning more math.

Being able to work out something on paper may come in handy if your stranded on a island but in a modern world it's like giving someone a shovel when they have at their disposal an excavator.
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Old 11-26-2016, 08:51 AM
 
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Time was, the best and brightest went into teaching, now it is the bottom 10%.
You can blame women's lib for this... No really! In the past teaching was one profession open to women and that's where a lot of the brightest woman ended up seeking a career that are today's female doctors, scientists etc.

Just so it's clear I'm not suggesting women should be forced to teach and not be doctors.
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Old 11-26-2016, 09:45 AM
 
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I can't agree with that. I loved learning new math in school but despised the repetitive work involved. I also didn't think in the way most people would address math, what they were teaching me often didn't apply because I came up with my own solutions. Memorizing 9*8 became (9*10)-8, that may seem odd but that evolved and I was able to calculate huge numbers in my head. If I was allowed to use a calculator in school I could of moved onto learning more math.

Being able to work out something on paper may come in handy if your stranded on a island but in a modern world it's like giving someone a shovel when they have at their disposal an excavator.
don't do that!

Point is taken tho. I think the concept of common core was to help students understand the math rather than rote memorization so they could calculate in their heads. The implementation notwithstanding, the concept is a good one.
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Old 11-26-2016, 09:59 AM
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...d25_story.html

"In a potentially controversial choice, Trump intends to nominate billionaire philanthropist Betsy DeVos for education secretary, people familiar with the selection said, turning to a conservative activist who has forcefully pushed for private school voucher programs. Her nomination is expected to face strong opposition from public school advocates, who oppose her efforts to funnel taxpayer dollars from public to private and religious schools."

If that first statement isn't an understatement I've never heard one. The NEA will pull out all the stops to keep control of the Education Department. Nothing is off the table. From the Geneva Convention to Robert's Rules, nothing will restrain them.
""In a potentially controversial choice" only to most liberals.

They lost so, who cares what they think. "Elections have consequences", Obama.

They are irrelevant.
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Old 11-26-2016, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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I'm not on the left but I am no fan because:

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The report analyzed student test data from the 2003-04 to 2012-13 school years, comparing students who used vouchers to “closely matched peers” who remained in voucher-eligible public schools.

“Those students, on average, who move to private schools under the EdChoice program tend to perform considerably worse than observationally similar students who remained in public schools,” the report found.
The study was done by a pro-voucher think tank.

Ouch.

My question would be why are they not performing as well? I'm anti-voucher, but I know some people who live in Chicago who were beside themselves when they thought their children might not get into the charter school. (they did get in) I'm not well versed on the system here and don't even know if vouchers are involved, but I do know that one of the parents told me her children struggled the first year and she had to get them special help to catch up, but that was a result of a stronger program than the one they came from. Chicago Schools, for the most part, aren't that great.

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Oh, but her charter schools will allow prayer in the classrooms so what if she guts the public school system in the process and after they do, the government will quit giving out the vouchers and parents will have to pay the full shot.
What makes you think so? There's no way prayer is going to be allowed in private schools unless they're have a religious foundation, such as a Catholic school. Parents would be up in arms and contacting the media and suing, etc.
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Old 11-26-2016, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Here's the reality of DeVos' policies in action:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/op...?smid=tw-share
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Old 11-26-2016, 10:44 AM
 
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don't do that!
Oops... 8*9 became (8*10)-8 but you get the picture. I had short cuts that worked for me for everything most of which I have forgotten. For large numbers I would divide it up into simpler components, what's 6*12? (6*10) = 60 & (2*6)=12 so 60+12 = 72.

Where it got really interesting is there wasn't always the same path (6*6)*2 also equals 72.

Keep in mind these are small numbers and I was doing this with larger numbers in my head. 66457*69732 started out with breaking it down to 6*6.
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Old 01-19-2017, 07:26 AM
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...d25_story.html

"In a potentially controversial choice, Trump intends to nominate billionaire philanthropist Betsy DeVos for education secretary, people familiar with the selection said, turning to a conservative activist who has forcefully pushed for private school voucher programs. Her nomination is expected to face strong opposition from public school advocates, who oppose her efforts to funnel taxpayer dollars from public to private and religious schools."

If that first statement isn't an understatement I've never heard one. The NEA will pull out all the stops to keep control of the Education Department. Nothing is off the table. From the Geneva Convention to Robert's Rules, nothing will restrain them.


Another unqualified Trump nominee. How do you nominate someone to be Education secretary that doesn't understand the difference between proficiency and growth. This is something that's talked about in every junior-level education training program in college. It's clear her only role is to continue to push for more charters and privatizing education.
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Old 01-20-2017, 08:27 AM
 
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Warren destroys DeVos.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnibHBkDFO4
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Old 01-20-2017, 08:29 AM
 
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Govt destroyed education as soon as it involved itself.
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