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Far beyond the MSM's obsession with this being a referendum on sexism, bigotry, or what have you, the fact of the matter is this was a referendum on entitlement. Trump is going to be the first Republican president that is against free-trade, that is against the free movement of capital and corporations, and will use draconian and barbaric measures to punish corporations that want to outsource to more efficient and hard working people than the extremely lazy and American workforce.
Can there be anything more socialist than a president who agrees that people are entitled to a "middle class" job and he will use big government to do something about it? Instead of implementing, you know, truly conservative principles that formed the bedrock of the Republican party such as drastically slashing corporate taxes, lowering or even abolishing the minimum wage, busting up the unions along with all other red-tape regulations surrounding employment laws so that corporations and job creators can return and leave it to individuals to pull themselves up by the bootstrap and make themselves sufficiently desirable wherein they can command a living wage? You know, the historically American way?
Enjoy the incoming economic catastrophes that will occur as a consequence of these disastrous policies that will be implemented.
Far beyond the MSM's obsession with this being a referendum on sexism, bigotry, or what have you, the fact of the matter is this was a referendum on entitlement. Trump is going to be the first Republican president that is against free-trade, that is against the free movement of capital and corporations, and will use draconian and barbaric measures to punish corporations that want to outsource to more efficient and hard working people than the extremely lazy and American workforce.
Can there be anything more socialist than a president who agrees that people are entitled to a "middle class" job and he will use big government to do something about it? Instead of implementing, you know, truly conservative principles that formed the bedrock of the Republican party such as drastically slashing corporate taxes, lowering or even abolishing the minimum wage, busting up the unions along with all other red-tape regulations surrounding employment laws so that corporations and job creators can return and leave it to individuals to pull themselves up by the bootstrap and make themselves sufficiently desirable wherein they can command a living wage? You know, the historically American way?
Enjoy the incoming economic catastrophes that will occur as a consequence of these disastrous policies that will be implemented.
None of it will happen except the withdrawal from TPP which I think is a good thing.
There are things you say to get elected, and there are things you do when you get elected.
Far beyond the MSM's obsession with this being a referendum on sexism, bigotry, or what have you, the fact of the matter is this was a referendum on entitlement. Trump is going to be the first Republican president that is against free-trade, that is against the free movement of capital and corporations, and will use draconian and barbaric measures to punish corporations that want to outsource to more efficient and hard working people than the extremely lazy and American workforce.
Can there be anything more socialist than a president who agrees that people are entitled to a "middle class" job and he will use big government to do something about it? Instead of implementing, you know, truly conservative principles that formed the bedrock of the Republican party such as drastically slashing corporate taxes, lowering or even abolishing the minimum wage, busting up the unions along with all other red-tape regulations surrounding employment laws so that corporations and job creators can return and leave it to individuals to pull themselves up by the bootstrap and make themselves sufficiently desirable wherein they can command a living wage? You know, the historically American way?
Enjoy the incoming economic catastrophes that will occur as a consequence of these disastrous policies that will be implemented.
1) Trump is in no way the first Republican against free trade or the free movement of capital. Do you know who Teddy Roosevelt is? He was considered a progressive Republican. They aren't really the same, Trump and Roosevelt, but that doesn't matter when I'm bringing this up for the sole purpose of disproving your claim.
2) Imposing tariffs (well within constitutional limits) and taxes burden on corporations that hire outside the US are neither draconian or barbaric. This is pure hyperbole. Or you don't know what those words mean, which may be true as it's been a theme in this post.
3) Yes, there can be many things more socialist than saying everyone should be able to work for a private company to get a middle class life style. An example: moving to have the state completely control industry. You know, the definition of socialism. Socialized industry...
4) I wouldn't say those founded the Republican party. Perhaps Lincoln (the first Republican president) opposed high corporate tax rates, but there was no minimum wage at that time and unions largely weren't a political thing in the US. So... Do you know what you're talking about at all or...?
None of it will happen except the withdrawal from TPP which I think is a good thing.
There are things you say to get elected, and there are things you do when you get elected.
Notice Guantanamo Bay is still open?
It sounds like you have listened to the brainwashing of the MSM and the trumpkins. TPP would have opened up vast new markets for us, led to greater economic efficiency of opportunity overall, and brought prosperity for all parties involved.
Your last point is the remaining hope. This man is not a Republican, but will hopefully be reigned in by the true blue Republicans in congress to stop him from implementing his more loony and economically disastrous socialist policies, like all of those destructive tariffs he proposed or ripping up current trade agreements. Also $1 trillion in infrastructure spending?!! He's nuts.
1) Trump is in no way the first Republican against free trade or the free movement of capital. Do you know who Teddy Roosevelt is? He was considered a progressive Republican. They aren't really the same, Trump and Roosevelt, but that doesn't matter when I'm bringing this up for the sole purpose of disproving your claim.
I am speaking in the modern age, not of a century ago when the world and the economy were vastly different than they are today.
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2) Imposing tariffs (well within constitutional limits) and taxes burden on corporations that hire outside the US are neither draconian or barbaric. This is pure hyperbole. Or you don't know what those words mean, which may be true as it's been a theme in this post.
We possibly have a different definitions of "barbaric" and "draconian". I have a feeling, along with many Americans, those words are rather accurate in describing the destructive behavior that will be implemented towards American investors and job creators, and taking away from them in order to give to entitled, lazy, and obsolete leeches.
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3) Yes, there can be many things more socialist than saying everyone should be able to work for a private company to get a middle class life style. An example: moving to have the state completely control industry. You know, the definition of socialism. Socialized industry...
Then let's call it what it is. This is not the conservative tradition. You believe in big government, and solutions imposed by big government at the expense of everyone else. There's a mainstream party that agrees with you, unfortunately your champion ran for the wrong one.
It sounds like you have listened to the brainwashing of the MSM and the trumpkins. TPP would have opened up vast new markets for us, led to greater economic efficiency of opportunity overall, and brought prosperity for all parties involved.
Your last point is the remaining hope. This man is not a Republican, but will hopefully be reigned in by the true blue Republicans in congress to stop him from implementing his more loony and economically disastrous socialist policies, like all of those destructive tariffs he proposed or ripping up current trade agreements. Also $1 trillion in infrastructure spending?!! He's nuts.
Nah it was ripe with issues, inability to create generic prescriptions, ability of investors to sue countries for breaches would allow the monied to overpower small governments, and it in essence, created a legal framework superior to our own sovereign legal system.
It wasn't a good deal for normal people, it was great for those that could afford it.
I am speaking in the modern age, not of a century ago when the world and the economy were vastly different than they are today.
Then why did you bring up the Republican's founding ideology? Then, when I address that, you choose not to respond to that as if that somehow makes this argument more true?
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We possibly have a different definitions of "barbaric" and "draconian". I have a feeling, along with many Americans, those words are rather accurate in describing the destructive behavior that will be implemented towards American investors and job creators, and taking away from them in order to give to entitled, lazy, and obsolete leeches.
What's interesting about this argument is that those who oppose Trump have very different feelings; that his policies will only help the rich, which are typically viewed as job creators in a modern sense. If you mean middle class small business owners, it's unlikely they will suffer many changes as mainly large corporations outsource. A rise in tariffs could hurt these people, but presumably, Trump wants to make it cheaper to have things made in the US, so it's very likely that this aspect of his policy that you bring up will not effect them much anyway.
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Then let's call it what it is. This is not the conservative tradition. You believe in big government, and solutions imposed by big government at the expense of everyone else. There's a mainstream party that agrees with you, unfortunately your champion ran for the wrong one.
Nothing I said indicates where my principles lie, so that's a pretty bold assumption you're making. I also can't tell if you think I voted Trump or Clinton. For what it's worth, both are terrible candidates. Clinton represents only those with money and Trump is a spineless ideologue with no ideas. As far as I'm concerned, Mike Pence is the president elect. While I agree with Trump we should want to encourage things to be produced here, most of his policy I take issue with. So let's calm down with accusations about what I believe as you have no basis for assuming these things. Let's try and be civil, shall we?
Trump is going to be the first Republican president that is against free-trade, that is against the free movement of capital and corporations, and will use draconian and barbaric measures to punish corporations that want to outsource to more efficient and hard working people than the extremely lazy and American workforce.
Haha 100% True
One large subset of folks Donald Trump catered his campaign to is a huge bunch of entitled, ambitionless losers that blame the government for all their travails and want the government to find them a job because they are too pathetic to go back to school, to acquire new skills, to move to a place where the jobs are, etc.
2) Imposing tariffs (well within constitutional limits) and taxes burden on corporations that hire outside the US are neither draconian or barbaric. This is pure hyperbole. Or you don't know what those words mean, which may be true as it's been a theme in this post.
I would agree that tariffs are neither draconian nor barbaric.
I personally do believe they will prove disastrous, as they have in the past. But if there is one thing I have learned from this election, it is that the average American has no concept of history.
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He's nuts.
