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View Poll Results: Should women who have an abortion be punished?
yes 5 4.42%
no 105 92.92%
don't know 3 2.65%
Voters: 113. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-27-2016, 12:35 PM
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There are legal contradictions, to be certain. 38 states have fetal homicide laws, including very blue California and Illinois. Why would some be charged with fetal homicide in those states, but others wouldn't?
Its not a legal contradiction anymore as a death that occurs when someone is defending themselves from harm(self defense).

in short, it is a "death", but not a murder. However if the action itself became illegal, then it would be a contradiction not to punish women who commit it.

 
Old 11-27-2016, 12:52 PM
 
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Its not a legal contradiction anymore as a death that occurs when someone is defending themselves from harm(self defense).
How is the fetus defending itself from harm?
 
Old 11-27-2016, 12:59 PM
 
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It really confuses me as to why women who have abortions are not to be punished for what they did.

Trump said there should be a punishment, but then he withdrew that statement after he got into trouble for it.

But why?

Logically it makes sense. If abortion is murder, and most Republicans think it is, then logically you'd punish someone for committing murder in order to deter future murder.
from the biblical and most christians who are say lawful or trying to be will say that they shouldn't be punished . but forgiven if they ask God for forgiveness knowing it was sin and it will turn out and proven to be the most greivous of sin mankind has committed. we can forgive them but we can never condone abortion for we have to protect the innocent and life at all cost .

one of the last verse of the scripture says

Rev 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

so if this is his instructions to us and was his example to us , this is how we will view it .
so what he is saying is evil in mankind hearts can't be stopped until he does it .
but we are to do all the good we can do to protect what is good and love what is right and all things he loves.
because evil will find it's expression somehow .
our job is to fight the powers behind it not the people and try our best to protect life and the innocent along the way..

what I am sure of is that all ladies forgiven or not will not need to be punished because the seeds of that fruit they created by their sins will punish them at the last hours of this age . their own unrepentant for sins will punish them, when Jesus steps away from the altar .

but our job as his agents of creation and of HIS LIFE is to just to try and protect the innocent if there is anyway possible and to love ( with his love , a love that bears the fruits of life ) anything we can stand too at the time , which sometimes it isn't possible for many reasons.
like God isn't going to become a sinner and overpower someones will to Prove to them that He LOVES them. that isn't love. love is allowing someone the time to change and grow by their own will. but there will always be those who will not choose to do right in the face of anything and he will not overpower them yet .

so we let the

Rev 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


now I will share with you a sign written in the earth and for ages in prophesy that even a most militant atheist will know exactly what God is saying .

go look at a topographic map of Israel , look at it from a few directions ladies does it look at all familiar ? it should though we don't exactly see it from that angle.
now boys go look at a few maps of what should be or should have been the boarders of Israel proper . and what exactly is now standing in his way . meaning compare what is and what will be .

now consider two things where the valley of Armageddon is and the fact that there is a really good chance that He is going to bring what the feast of Tabernacles calls a sukkah . but this one is slightly different not just being living bows from trees which is big giant shiny living bio dome that only lets in people who have His life in them and his life has purified them , yes it will probably fry anyone else driven into it .

so what is Big Daddy saying ?

so dear militant anti- theists I bet you smart fellas and gals can even see what He is saying .
what is he protecting ? what is he all about ( sort of ) ? yes he is all about life the whole process of LIFE in all things and his right to the renewing all things. and laws that make sure that process is possible and can continue in a safe and loving manner for all . thus from there to there and forever more .
at first after He shows me that I was kind of offended . I got really mad at him . I was 'why you doing porn in the earth? I was like that is way to much I was shocked because it wasn't something I expected at all...

we can't stop evil until He does it , we can only reveal His heart and his hopes that they start to hope and thus make that step of faith that change is possible and renewal is real and to know that he is worthy and wise. and that they can give him all of their sins and he will love all who let him and in time given them back Gifts and his protection from reaping the very sins they alone created .

if you guys would put as much energy into being his friend as you do into being militant evil you will be there in no time ..... which is only about as much time as there is left, no time .
 
Old 11-27-2016, 01:28 PM
 
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well, why not?

I'm a Democrat but I honestly hope the Republicans outlaw abortion. I'm convinced the Democrats lose far more votes from being pro-choice than they gain. And there's no way to convince religious people that abortion isn't murder. You can't argue with religion. It's literally an invisible deity floating in the sky who NEVER talks, and possibly left some books behind thousands of years ago.

Just outlaw it and we can see if Republicans enjoy the consequences of it. Most abortions seem to be done by low-income Democrats, especially blacks and Latinos, so let's get ready for those Democrat reinforcements delivered by storks.
So you want a return to the days of back alley abortions when they were not safe, but still happened and probably happened more often because there was little contraception. Of course the Republicans also want to outlaw contraception.

https://www.amazon.com/Perilous-Time.../dp/1936411229

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Perilous Times: An Inside Look at Abortion Before-and After-Roe v. Wade gives a unique perspective on the days of back-alley abortions-- one of which the author experienced in 1956 following what would today be known as workplace rape-- and includes contemporary stories that indicate those grim days are returning. It is written for lay readers, making a strong case for reproductive choice and a plea for informed dialog. Author Fran Moreland Johns' comments on abortion rights have appeared recently in The New York Times and New Yorker magazine. Perilous Times expands on the issue through true stories of women and men whose lives have been impacted by unplanned pregnancies, and comments from leaders in the field of reproductive rights.
9 Older Women Share Their Harrowing Back Alley Abortion Stories | Thought Catalog

8 Stories That Show What Abortion Was Like Before Roe v. Wade - Ms. Magazine Blog
 
Old 11-27-2016, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Making abortion illegal does not reduce the number of abortions. Legalization of abortion can prevent unnecessary suffering and death of women.

THE REALITY IS WOMEN GET ABORTION ANYWAY IF THEY WANT TO.

Why punish them?

This said, it is not like every woman thinks about abortion all the time. Oh, she had one, I have to have one too. LOL It doesn't work this way.

Safe abortion procedures save lives. Keep it legal.
 
Old 11-27-2016, 01:45 PM
 
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I can choose NOT to have an abortion. I cannot choose what another woman does with her body. It's none of my business. I'm not living her life, so how do I know what's best for her? I'm a Christian but I am not so arrogant to think that everyone should adhere to my beliefs. I think that government and religion are separate for very good reasons.

The only people who should be "punished" are the ones who are so arrogant as to think that they know what's best for anyone else. The majority of women are not gleefully aborting fetuses. They have very personal reasons for choosing to do so. Reasons that are none of my business.


I genuinely feel for any woman who has to face this decision. I imagine that it would be one of the most difficult choices anyone would ever have to make. And I also feel for any man who is the partner of the woman, quite honestly. It's just not a black and white issue. In a perfect world, all children would be cared for, wanted, and protected. There would be no rape or poverty. But we don't live in such a world, so until we do, women need to be able to choose for themselves what is best for their lives. They also need to be protected and have good options for healthcare.
 
Old 11-27-2016, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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More regulation/law is always the answer so let's keep that in mind.
 
Old 11-27-2016, 02:40 PM
 
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Originally Posted by shihku7 View Post
It really confuses me as to why women who have abortions are not to be punished for what they did.

Trump said there should be a punishment, but then he withdrew that statement after he got into trouble for it.

But why?

Logically it makes sense. If abortion is murder, and most Republicans think it is, then logically you'd punish someone for committing murder in order to deter future murder.
I did not vote. Abortion would have to be made illegal for it to be punishable. If it were made illegal it should be treated like cops going through a person's pockets and finding a single crack cocaine rock, or opening a person's car trunk and finding garbage bags full of marijuana. It should be punishable because it would be illegal.
 
Old 11-27-2016, 02:45 PM
 
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Originally Posted by shihku7 View Post
It really confuses me as to why women who have abortions are not to be punished for what they did.

Trump said there should be a punishment, but then he withdrew that statement after he got into trouble for it.

But why?

Logically it makes sense. If abortion is murder, and most Republicans think it is, then logically you'd punish someone for committing murder in order to deter future murder.
They shouldn't be allowed to have abortions. It should be illegal.

As with anything, if one breaks the law, they should be punished.
 
Old 11-27-2016, 02:47 PM
 
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I find it incredible that 92% of the poll responders said the woman should not be punished.

National polls show that about 50% of Americans think abortion is murder.

There's an incredible disconnect here.

If abortion is outlawed, and the Republicans have claimed they will outlaw it for decades now, one would assume that women who perform abortions MUST be punished, otherwise the outlawing of it will have far less effect.
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