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View Poll Results: Do you favor privatizing Medicare?
Yes 16 13.45%
No 103 86.55%
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Old 11-30-2016, 06:43 PM
 
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Hell no and the people pushing it, quite frankly, are crazy.
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Old 11-30-2016, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Not familiar with that word, but since this is the 'net, I looked it up:

Collectivism is the moral stance, political philosophy, ideology, or social outlook that emphasizes the group and its interests.

Do you really think our rising medical costs are due to collectivism? I don't know how many claims I can make for hurting myself laughing in one day.

Go ahead, go without medical insurance and negotiate your individual care when you get sick.
You can't have quasi-capitalism. It's either capitalism or statism.

If I try to negotiate anything outside of third party intervention (the government) I'll be caged.
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Old 11-30-2016, 06:47 PM
 
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Hell no and the people pushing it, quite frankly, are crazy.
Medicare privatization will absolutely happen unless the pushback is so hard and vocal that Paul Ryan and Tom Price back down. They are already giving timelines (the second budget for 2018) but others in Congress sound nervous or are refusing to answer.
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Old 11-30-2016, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Fl
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You can't have quasi-capitalism. It's either capitalism or statism.

If I try to negotiate anything outside of third party intervention (the government) I'll be caged.
OK, we agree on the caged part since you don't believe in the need for government to deal with externalities.
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Old 11-30-2016, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Good one!
I've been on this forum too long.
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Old 11-30-2016, 06:55 PM
 
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Cut it. Cut it. Cut it. Cut it. Your healthcare's way too high you need to cut it!

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When they say privatize, is everything so absolute? Can they make it affordable and not so bad for the elderly?
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Old 11-30-2016, 07:17 PM
 
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Which kind of the main reason that private insurance won't work for the elderly.
The essence. i.e. Social programs tend to form where there is societal need and the private sector fears to tread.

http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/82/2/PHCBP.pdf
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Old 11-30-2016, 07:20 PM
 
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Not familiar with that word, but since this is the 'net, I looked it up:

Collectivism is the moral stance, political philosophy, ideology, or social outlook that emphasizes the group and its interests.

Do you really think our rising medical costs are due to collectivism? I don't know how many claims I can make for hurting myself laughing in one day.

Go ahead, go without medical insurance and negotiate your individual care when you get sick.
You need to be careful. Collectivism with HC can certainly lead to more overall costs. But that needs to be a societal choice.

If we cover everyone, much more medical encounters will take place, more medical stuff will be done, more disease discovered, and then then more treatments for more patients living longer. I say all good to all of it. But it will cost more.
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Old 11-30-2016, 07:21 PM
 
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You can't have quasi-capitalism. It's either capitalism or statism.

If I try to negotiate anything outside of third party intervention (the government) I'll be caged.
We have both right now.
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Old 11-30-2016, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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If we cover everyone, much more medical encounters will take place, more medical stuff will be done, more disease discovered, and then then more treatments for more patients living longer. I say all good to all of it. But it will cost more.
The goal here is preventative healthcare. Not "when you get really sick" health care, that's the most expensive kind there is. Medicare in the US is expensive because the people who use it will cost it the most, they're older, they may have had a lifetime of not going to the doctor or surgeon to get things fixed before it becomes serious and they got a lot of stuff that needs fixed. It's a ridiculous system where the entire population pays for the most expensive people, and the payers don't see any benefit.

People are afraid to get medical attention because they can't afford it are the reason the US is failing its people.
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