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That's silly. Where's your actual, non-anecdotal evidence?
Let's be serious for a minute, though. With all the bellyaching I read about conservatives wanting to get rid of social programs, why in the world should anyone feel secure that they'll just go right on out and donate to poor people to keep them clothed, housed, and fed?
None. Zero. There is no evidence. If that charity method was working so well, we never would've wound up with the method we have now.
Yes. But he so desperately wants to prove that liberalism must be forced on people - even though people vote liberals into office fully knowing their platform of larger government - he'll leap to any conclusion possible and twist other people's words.
I do someone who went through this. My uncle lost his wife when his kids were 4 and 18 months old. He lived a thousand miles from family. He managed to keep his home, his job, found a better job, his car and didn't acquire debt. So what's your point?
That everyone's story is different. God forbid we recognize that.
Like many on this thread have noted, having a separate food distribution system for those on SNAP would be far more expensive and bureaucratic than just letting regular stores accept it. And funny that it's conservatives who are suggest some kind of government run grocery store or food pantry like communist countries once had.
And I'm sure the retail industry would be quite upset if they could no longer accept SNAP customers which make up a good percentage of their sales.
I do remember the "government cheese" program. My grandfather who lived on a small SS pension had various "USDA Food Service" items like bulk cans of peanut butter.
Like many on this thread have noted, having a separate food distribution system for those on SNAP would be far more expensive and bureaucratic than just letting regular stores accept it.
You mean "like many on this thread have incorrectly noted." In point of fact, simply handing out food is easy and simple: the Red Cross can do it in about ten minutes, for example. The reason liberals such as yourself are so against it is because you have two driving forces in your life:
1) Increase government, so that you can increase control over people and because government is the source of the majority of liberal jobs. Government is essentially welfare for liberals, who get to make high pay for low-skill jobs, have high pensions and benefits, and retire early.
2) Make sure nobody's feelings are hurt. So we went from soup kitchens to food stamps to EBT cards. Each move was made by liberals in order to make sure nobody "felt bad" about being on welfare. This is fact, by the way, and you can see it in the posts on here where liberals' reactions to society determining what welfare recipients eat is considered "treating them like animals." (I bold that because, on the other hand, determining what taxpayers eat is considered "extremely smart and scientific." They literally think better of their voting welfare recipients than they do of the people who support them.)
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And funny that it's conservatives who are suggest some kind of government run grocery store or food pantry like communist countries once had.
Actually, nobody is "for" a government run food line. I said that if liberals demand welfare and actually cared about people getting nutrition, they'd enact a food line to just pass out food. Therefore, it is a plan wholly grounded in liberalism, but at least it's not totally stupid liberalism (which is what we have currently in every area determined by liberalism).
He's right: a food line is what you get in Communist countries. Why? Because it reflects the failure of socialism and Communism to succeed in reality. And what do you have in America? You have a food line, only it's masquerading as an EBT card. So, as you can see, liberals are very consistent in failing in reality. The only difference is in a capitalistic state they are able to mask their food line with layers of well-paid bureaucrats.
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And I'm sure the retail industry would be quite upset if they could no longer accept SNAP customers which make up a good percentage of their sales.
Note that all the liberals claim there is an evil corporation behind SNAP or poor people drinking soda. I've seen about five people say it so far. It's the super market lobby, or the soda lobby, or the retail industry lobby. And yet, notice that none of these liberals wants to eliminate this supposed corporate control over people by eliminating SNAP and just handing out food? It should be instructive. Always ignore people's words and just cut to the chase and observe their actions.
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No. Because his net/gross income will be more than 130% poverty even though zero of it is taxable.
Not necessarily. He could have no income at all.
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As I indicated also in that post, as a recipient of welfare of capable of holding employment, you are not allowed to turn down job offers and/or reduce hours voluntarily.
That's BS, and you know it. All that's required is that they "seek" employment. You know what they do? The turn in job applications with nothing but their names on it. No phone, address, nothing. So of course they are never offered any jobs.
Yes, he does. Are you saying he does get anything from dividends, interest, capital, gains, rents and royalties??? That is income.
Not when one owns a business, or several businesses. It's revenue against which expenses and losses are deducted and can indeed leave one with no net income.
Incidentally, if all the Food Stamp program cared about was gross income, why do the ask for tax returns?
From the USDA:
"Most households must meet both the gross and net income tests, but a household with an elderly person or a person who is receiving certain types of disability payments only has to meet the net income test."
Soft drinks and sweets ARE food, cheap food, you can last for a while on nothing but. Keep that in mind when your ruggedly individualistic you will be kicked to the curb with no means to cook.
Soft drinks have ZERO nutritional value.
And while I wasn't "kicked to the curb", there have been times in my life when I've had to eat without cooking. A can of vegetables is cheaper than soda, fills you up, and provides nutrition.
That's BS, and you know it. All that's required is that they "seek" employment. You know what they do? The turn in job applications with nothing but their names on it. No phone, address, nothing. So of course they are never offered any jobs.
No. You are just uninformed.
If Trump had no income, he wouldn't be able to pay his own personal financial obligations nor would he have any motivation towards turning down the Presidential salary. I already pointed you to a link that explains the reason behind a real estate person being able to put forward unrealized losses to offset income in any other source including investments and salary. It explains that the same property that is a loss can still become a passive income source for the owner.
You just choose to be ignorant of those facts.
No. You are wrong. First, I already mentioned that it is perfectly fine to be employed and taking food stamp benefits. So you don't need to "seek" employment.
You just choose to be ignorant of that fact.
No. It takes a lot more vetting to apply for SNAP/Food stamps. It takes a few weeks for the office go through their checks and show approval. In one case I know, a couple months. This is for NJ:
You need to prove your identity, situation, and provide proof that your gross/net is less than 130% poverty level. As far as I know, it is a federal offense to make fraud claims which carries pretty severe penalties.
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