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Old 12-07-2016, 07:17 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Liberal media will probably try to skew it that way.
But the truth is that poll after poll showed 70% of Americans felt we were headed in the wrong direction under Obama. But 55% liked (approved of) him personally.
Yep, great guy to hang out with or have at your party but not so much running the country.
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:34 AM
 
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Trump won because the Democrats the people wanted to run, did not run. We were stuck with Hillary...

Obama is going to go down in history as the best President in modern times...
You mean you guys didn't get to run with your communist lazy dead beat Bernie who made his first real money in government and was even despised as being lazy and worthless by the past communes he lived in?

LOL
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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I think all economic systems have their pros and cons. The system in France actually respects workers and gives them adequate vacation, longer maternity/paternity leave, and doesn't punish workers for being sick. They work to live, not live to work.
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:41 AM
 
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Good points, well thought out. Wish I could rep you but..... you know the song...
Thanks, I appreciate it!
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Old 12-07-2016, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Trump won because the Democrats the people wanted to run, did not run. We were stuck with Hillary...

Obama is going to go down in history as the best President in modern times...
Known for golfing and little else. Just because he is black doesn't mean he is a good president. Look closer. He did nothing about drugs , opened borders, welfare, no jobs, nothing. Just hand out more free Obama phones. That is not a success. The big cities are getting worse. Poverty GROWING and Obama the elitist doesn't care about the working man of any color. Obama is for the weird climate change, green energy socialist that failed and bankrupting this country. Obama did NOTHING FOR THE WORKING MAN . NOTHING!
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Old 12-07-2016, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Apparently, things aren't so good with liberals and socialists over there.. Hollande pushed his socialist agenda and found out they don't work out in real life... I was quite happy that he was able to push liberal agendas because I wanted the world to see just how bad it fails...


French President Francois Hollande Won't Seek Re-Election : The Two-Way : NPR
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Fillon said after today's announcement that "Hollande had been 'lucid' about what he called 'his clear failure,'...
One day, maybe the Dems will realize their clear failure here, too. Don't they always bray about being "just like Europe"?

Here's their chance to emulate one from a country they seem to really admire.
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Old 12-07-2016, 02:29 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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In the most technical sense, he (SHABAZZ) may be right, since historians are generally liberals. That's why they write glowingly of the Great Society and still credit Gorbachev for being the one who "led the Soviet Union to democracy" and Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher just happened to be standing around. If you read any history book, it's basically like what you would expect if a liberal wrote it: completely incorrect.


It's quite unlikely that any history book will delve much into how bad Obama's presidency was, jutst like it won't do so for Bill Clinton. I mean, the majority of people only know Bill Clinton as "good economy, received Lewinskies in the Oval Office."
So far we pretty much agree. I think that Reagan and to a lesser extent Thatcher had a great deal to do with the fall of the Evil Empire. They left the world a better place. And I do agree that the university professor set is not balanced in their view of history.

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His presidency was recent and people lived through it and they already forget that Clinton compiled FBI files against his enemies, that he got people to smuggle classified documents out, that when documents were subpoenaed they just disappeared until the investigation ended and then they reappeared on some random White House table, he and Al Gore participating in campaign election finance fraud with foreign countries and compromised national security, that he pardoned people directly involved in all of these things as he was high-tailing it out the door from near-impeachment, that he gave rocket technology to the Chinese, that he gave nukes to North Korea using the same tired liberal arguments that Obama later used for Iran, that he killed Americans on US soil which led a fringe guy to be scared that the government would do that to any of us and then bombed a federal building, that he ignored terrorism for 8 years so he wouldn't have poor opinion polls for tackling difficult issues, that he actually created a wall of information that directly led to 9/11, that his administration accelerated the Democrat policies that led to the housing crash.

That's just off the top of my head and without even naming all of their other ancillary scandals, such as attempting political nepotism with Travelgate.
There were lots of negatives but also positives, welfare reform coming to mind. And I think that some of his presidency could have gone better had he not been distracted by the utterly ludicrous impeachment and removal matter. I think it is clear that "high crimes and misdemeanors" means official crimes. The Supreme Court was wrong to let a civil action go ahead against a sitting president. It should have been stayed.

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If I did that with Obama, I'd be typing until tomorrow. Obama's administrations were so riddled with scandal and corruption that you literally forget half of them because his main technique was to overwhelm people's senses with corruption -- to be so corrupt that you'd be forced to just pick one to focus on. And yet, most people only think the main problem was "golfed a lot and went on late night shows." Aw, shucks, I forgot about how he used multiple government agencies in illegal ways, blamed it on random people who were never punished, lied about finding out about it from reading the paper, and then moved on to the next scandal. Yeah, the real problem was he was on a reality show with Bear Gryllis.

Liberalism is about power, money, corruption, sex, and scandal. That's it. Nobody cares what the historians write because we lived through it. But the key is to remember what you lived through and teach everyone you know about it so they also do not forget. Or else you'll get Jimmy Carter, who was the worst President ever until the next Democrat, but people just view him as "this nice guy with a Southern accent who was a peanut farmer and wore sweaters and now he builds houses for the poor, what a great guy!"
Obama was far worse, no doubt about it. The refusal to work jaw to jaw with Congress and the substitution of such hard, thankless work with executive orders is a real blot on his legacy.

I'm repping this post despite my lack of total agreement.

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Old 12-07-2016, 03:15 PM
 
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There were lots of negatives but also positives, welfare reform coming to mind.

Welfare reform was something he was dragged into, however. That was done by the Republicans.


Out of curiosity, if you know this stuff from the Clinton and Obama administrations, why do you identify as a "left wing Democrat"?
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Old 12-17-2016, 07:10 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Welfare reform was something he was dragged into, however. That was done by the Republicans.


Out of curiosity, if you know this stuff from the Clinton and Obama administrations, why do you identify as a "left wing Democrat"?
Because I favor progress and justice for the common man, for ordinary people. While as an Ivy League graduate and an attorney I may seem elite, I also understand how loopy policies on bathrooms, AGW, and purposeless regulations impact ordinary people.

I have a son who is on the high functioning end of the autism spectrum. I pine for the days when he could have gone down to the fatory gate and gotten a job that would have given him a decent life. Thank goodness that others in my family have some resources he is in a college for students with his needs. Hopefully it will gain him a livelihood.

I am for common sense. And the left-wing part; I think that all people should have a chance and an opportunity even if they don't come from a Tory bloodline. Another is that I support such causes as wolf reintroduction of most of the national parks. I have no sympathy for ranchers who have publicly subsidized land and want predators eliminated. Personally I even petted an animal that was chromosomally very similar to a wolf a few days ago.
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Old 12-17-2016, 07:48 PM
 
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You mean you guys didn't get to run with your communist lazy dead beat Bernie who made his first real money in government and was even despised as being lazy and worthless by the past communes he lived in?

LOL
Sanders lazy. First time I've ever heard that. He's respected by all conservatives he works with as a tireless man with extraordinary energy. Say what you want about Bernie, and you obviously dont understand the difference between social democracy like under FDR or in Canada, and communism on the other hand, but to say he is lazy is about as absurd as it gets.
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