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Old 12-11-2016, 11:47 PM
 
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If Putin came out tomorrow and said "we hacked the election, the fix was in, hillary should have won, trump is an illegitimate winner" what would happen in america? Would there be civil unrest the likes of what we have never seen?

I'm not sure what would happen, but i'll pose this question.

Why would we really put ourselves in a position as a country to have a leader of ANOTHER country essentially be able to cause massive civil unrest by speaking one sentence, even if it was false and he just made it up?

Think about that.

Vlad Putin shouldn't be able to move one person in america off their couches no matter what he says and yet, he could essentially spark a 'world war' within our country with one sentence, false or not. He could just make it all up and then a few days later say 'i was trolling you, none of that really happened'
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Old 12-11-2016, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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This is exactly why I voted for Trump. It was a vote against Hillary rather than a vote for him.

I heard of Tulsi Gabbard but wasn't familiar with her. I've looked her up because of your post and I like what I see. If it were her against Trump it wouldn't be a hard choice at all. This could be our first woman president. She'd have my vote. Thanks for mentioning her.



You ought to take a look at Tulsi Gabbard.

I could be wrong but I still think Trump is not going to have an easy time getting things through congress. I'm curious to see the reaction when he faces opposition from Republicans.
In fact, this might be The Greatest Show on Earth. You couldn't write fiction that would be as good as what might happen when they don't let him have his way. And he may start issuing his executive orders over Twitter.
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Old 12-11-2016, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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First, no one'c calling the CIA "liars". People are pointing out that they're just expressing an opinion based on absolutely zero direct evidence. They're just saying that hacking DNC servers could have been done by "the Russians", and they don't know of anyone else to point the finger at.

Second if you think injecting truth into an election is "interference", then you have a warped perspective on democracy.
There's sh*t loads of evidence the CIA are liars, they even run psy-ops intended to misinform and effect the government's of other countries. The CIA lied about torture, they lied about Al Quaeda receiving chemical weapons training in Iraq (obtained by extraordinary rendition questioning). James Clapper (NSA) this presidential term stood in front of the entire US and World media and said there was no NSA domestic surveillance program, sure thing James, if we redefine the terms domestic and surveillance.

So how can some inside unnamed source state Russia "did it" from a preliminary informal report with any credibility? The agency lies, the insider is not even prepared to be identified in support of the claims.

However the content of the hack DNC emails have been validated to be untampered with. They were sent in communications within the DNC, apparently that's not really the story. What is, is that the Russians who couldn't compromise Hillary's email server, could compromise the US election.

It's kind of Kafkhaesque.
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Old 12-12-2016, 12:09 AM
 
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I agree. I think the rust belt voters just voted against Hillary not because they were thrilled with trump. Both were and are terrible people and candidates. Joe Biden for sure and probably Bernie Sanders defeat Trump easily back in November.

We had the two worst people that could possibly run. In 2020 I'd like to see Tulsi Gabbard run for the democrats. She is well spoken, Iraq war vet, young and good looking. That would be somebody I would not want to face in 2020 if I were Trump or the republicans.
I don't know a lot about Tulsi Gabbard but she is definitely very pretty.
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Old 12-12-2016, 12:48 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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I don't know a lot about Tulsi Gabbard but she is definitely very pretty.
She's also an MP in The National Guard. Obviously cut from good stuff.
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Old 12-12-2016, 01:10 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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The day that I just believe and trust whatever the CIA tells me is the day hell freezes over and billions of clones of Elvis rain down from the heavens.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3B9e93QsQA
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Old 12-12-2016, 04:33 AM
 
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I don't know a lot about Tulsi Gabbard but she is definitely very pretty.
Google some of her recent interviews. She's very well spoken, an Iraq war vet and she quit the DNC when Debbie Wasserman Schultz was tilting the primary to Clinton.
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Old 12-12-2016, 04:37 AM
 
Location: Florida
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There's sh*t loads of evidence the CIA are liars, they even run psy-ops intended to misinform and effect the government's of other countries. The CIA lied about torture, they lied about Al Quaeda receiving chemical weapons training in Iraq (obtained by extraordinary rendition questioning). James Clapper (NSA) this presidential term stood in front of the entire US and World media and said there was no NSA domestic surveillance program, sure thing James, if we redefine the terms domestic and surveillance.

So how can some inside unnamed source state Russia "did it" from a preliminary informal report with any credibility? The agency lies, the insider is not even prepared to be identified in support of the claims.

However the content of the hack DNC emails have been validated to be untampered with. They were sent in communications within the DNC, apparently that's not really the story. What is, is that the Russians who couldn't compromise Hillary's email server, could compromise the US election.

It's kind of Kafkhaesque.
It's not just the CIA, the whole community is in agreement about it, but if they can't be trusted, then why not just close them down and save the money? Trump can always ready Breitbart to get his intelligence. That's probably what he does already.
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Old 12-12-2016, 04:39 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The day that I just believe and trust whatever the CIA tells me is the day hell freezes over and billions of clones of Elvis rain down from the heavens.
Who do you trust when it comes to things like this?

I guess the answer is in the youtube video you attached. You'd rather trust a long haired conspiracy theorist in the internet

This is where we have arrived folks. It won't be pretty.
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Old 12-12-2016, 04:55 AM
 
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Well, I hear wiki still has more emails but will be waiting till the next mid terms begin.....you know since the dems have to fight for more seats than the repubs....
And that's the problem I have with Wiki. Release the documents as you get them. Stop trying to influence what is going on - if you are really doing this for the public interest.
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