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Old 12-10-2016, 11:46 AM
 
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Nutty Don supporters are going to tell us we took him literally while they took him seriously.
Unfortunately when presented with a creaive solution, dems are unable to recognize its value as they cling to their historic, repetative, failed solutions.


Dems prefer phenotypical diversity rather than diversity of ideas frm successful people.


Dems think a failed business is a sign of, well, failure. It can be if their is no recovery and greater success. The real story is to find someone who failed and had the composure and intelligence to try again and gain wild success.


I don't want toread about some slug who failed and crawled back under a rock. I want to hear about the guy who failed and went on to success. Like an Edison or countless other luminaries noted for their successful journeys despite setbacks.
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Old 12-10-2016, 11:54 AM
 
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Treasury Secretary: Former Goldman Sachs partner Steven Mnuchin, the president-elect’s choice for Treasury secretary, served as Trump’s top fundraiser and personally contributed $430,000 to Trump and to the Republican National Committee’s joint fundraising account. (Trump had railed against special interests, and particularly Goldman Sachs, during his campaign, stating that Goldman Sachs had total control of Cruz and Hillary Clinton. Surprise!)

Head of Small Business Administration: Pro wrestling magnate Linda McMahon, Trump’s pick to head the Small Business Administration, gave $6 million to Rebuilding America Now, a super PAC that backed Trump. She also gave $153,000 to Trump’s joint fundraising account and more than $400,000 to the RNC. She was a professional wrestling magnate and a Republican politician. Previously filed for bankruptcy (like Trump), and rec'd food stamps.

Secretary of Commerce: Billionaire investor Wilbur Ross, Trump’s choice for Commerce secretary, had a senior role on Trump’s fundraising team. He gave $200,000 to Trump’s joint fundraising account and $117,000 to the RNC. He has achieved great business success, mostly from acquiring, restructuring, and selling companies, including back-room deals (crony capitalism...back-room deals with select corporations). He specializes in leveraged buyouts and distressed businesses. It was with the assistance and assurance of Ross, then senior managing director of Rothschild Inc. (an investment banking company), that Trump was allowed to keep his casinos and rebuild his businesses, when his businesses failed. Ross is known as "the king of bankruptcy" for his work regarding the Pennsylvania steel business; he was supposed to "save" the PA steel companies; instead, he made a ton of money from the bankrupting of the steel companies (he bought five companies that were in trouble and filing bankruptcy, packaged them as a deal, and sold them...he was the largest beneficiary of the steel business, making more than $4 billion dollars, in no small part from large cuts in steel worker pensions).

Dept of Labor Secretary: Andy Puzder, the fast-food CEO chosen for Labor secretary, raised campaign cash for Trump and personally contributed $388,000 to the RNC and $150,000 to Trump’s joint fundraiser. He also gave $10,000 to Rebuilding America Now. Lawyer and CEO of fast food places. Anti-minimum wage believer in charge of labor. Opposes government regulation of corporations. Hints of sexism in his past. Supports the use of foreign workers.

Secretary of Eduation: Another Trump Cabinet selection, Betsy DeVos, belongs to one of the top Republican donor families in the country. The Education secretary pick, however, was no booster of Trump’s. She gave $50,000 to a super PAC supporting Sen. Marco Rubio. She also wired the maximum amount to another of Trump’s primary rivals, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker. American billionaire, businesswoman, philanthropist, and education activist from Michigan. DeVos is known for her advocacy of school choice, voucher programs, and ties to the Reformed Christian community. DeVos is married to Dick DeVos and is the daughter-in-law of Richard DeVos, the founder of Amway with an estimated net worth of $5.1 billion.

Chief Strategist and Sr. Counselor: Steve Bannon. Executive chair of Breitbart News, an alt-right opinion and commentary site. Investment banker at Goldman Sachs. Launched Bannon & Co, an investment bank. Exec. producer in Hollywood, making a flattering film about Sarah Palin.

Director of National Economic Council (The council helps advise the president on economic policy): Expected to be the second-in-command at Goldman Sachs, Gary Cohn. (Trump had repeatedly attacked the financial elite — and Goldman Sachs in particular. He said, "I know the guys at Goldman Sachs; they have total, total control over Ted Cruz, just like they have total control over Hillary Clinton.”)

Note: Goldman Sachs is the top stock gainer since the election, rising more than 33% from $181.48 on Nov. 7th to $241.85 12/9.

To voters who believed Trump was going to drain the swamp, take notice: He's stacked his cabinet WITH the swamp. The special interests, particularly Goldman Sachs, now have unprecedented power in the control of the country.
Obviously YOUR interpretation of "drain the swamp" is DIFFERENT then mine.
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Old 12-10-2016, 12:01 PM
 
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He's obviously placing competence over ideology to get this country up and running again.
Um, his choices so far for the most part are evangelicals who have ZERO experience in the public sector and little experience in their appointed positions. It doesn't get more ideological than this!!
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Old 12-10-2016, 12:03 PM
 
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This is what the Secretary of Labor is responsible for:

.United States Department of Labor: Frequently Asked Questions

I know of no other employer that violates everything the Department of Labor ensures for the working class more than fast food employers! Trump's selection for the secretary of labor is sure to make working conditions less for all Americans in all job sectors.
The naysayers relive that NOBODY but minimum wage workers are employed by these large companies.
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Old 12-10-2016, 12:05 PM
 
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Unfortunately when presented with a creaive solution, dems are unable to recognize its value as they cling to their historic, repetative, failed solutions.


Dems prefer phenotypical diversity rather than diversity of ideas frm successful people.


Dems think a failed business is a sign of, well, failure. It can be if their is no recovery and greater success. The real story is to find someone who failed and had the composure and intelligence to try again and gain wild success.


I don't want toread about some slug who failed and crawled back under a rock. I want to hear about the guy who failed and went on to success. Like an Edison or countless other luminaries noted for their successful journeys despite setbacks.
Walt Disney went bankrupt personally 3 TIMES before he "made it big"
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Old 12-10-2016, 12:21 PM
 
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Walt Disney went bankrupt personally 3 TIMES before he "made it big"
Disney's bankruptcies though were not like Trump's.

In the first one - his backing firm went broke. In the second and third times, he only came close - he did not actually go bankrupt and he was able to complete his films and fund his staff and employees.

Trump's bankruptcies screwed his employees and his shareholders and his contractors.

How Trump's Casino Bankruptcies Screwed His Workers out of Millions in Retirement Savings | Mother Jones

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Trump's company encouraged its employees to invest their retirement savings in company stock, according to a class-action lawsuit filed by employees against Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts following its 2004 bankruptcy. Then, when the stock price was near its nadir as bankruptcy loomed, the company forced the employees to sell their stock at a huge loss. More than 400 employees lost a total of more than $2 million from their retirement accounts, the lawsuit states.
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Trump used his company as a means of transferring his personal debt load onto shareholders, issuing rounds of junk bonds to build up cash that would erase his own debts. "Even as his companies did poorly, Mr. Trump did well," the Times wrote. "He put up little of his own money, shifted personal debts to the casinos and collected millions of dollars in salary, bonuses and other payments. The burden of his failures fell on investors and others who had bet on his business acumen."
Trump Bankruptcy Math Doesn't Add Up - NBC News

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Over the course of 18 years, Trump's companies went into reorganization six times — five times in New Jersey, where he had his casino holdings, and once in New York:

Trump Taj Mahal Associates, Atlantic City casino — 1991
Trump Castle Hotel & Casino, Atlantic City casino — 1992
Trump Plaza Associates, Atlantic City casino — 1992
Plaza Operating Partners, Manhattan hotel — 1992
Trump Casino Holdings, Atlantic City casinos — 2004
Trump Entertainment Resorts, Atlantic City casinos — 2009

"It would be six separate bankruptcies," said bankruptcy lawyer Ted Connolly, author of "The Road Out of Debt: Bankruptcy and Other Solution to Your Financial Problems."
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Old 12-12-2016, 02:30 PM
 
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Treasury Secretary: Former Goldman Sachs partner Steven Mnuchin, the president-elect’s choice for Treasury secretary, served as Trump’s top fundraiser and personally contributed $430,000 to Trump and to the Republican National Committee’s joint fundraising account. (Trump had railed against special interests, and particularly Goldman Sachs, during his campaign, stating that Goldman Sachs had total control of Cruz and Hillary Clinton. Surprise!)

Head of Small Business Administration: Pro wrestling magnate Linda McMahon, Trump’s pick to head the Small Business Administration, gave $6 million to Rebuilding America Now, a super PAC that backed Trump. She also gave $153,000 to Trump’s joint fundraising account and more than $400,000 to the RNC. She was a professional wrestling magnate and a Republican politician. Previously filed for bankruptcy (like Trump), and rec'd food stamps.

Secretary of Commerce: Billionaire investor Wilbur Ross, Trump’s choice for Commerce secretary, had a senior role on Trump’s fundraising team. He gave $200,000 to Trump’s joint fundraising account and $117,000 to the RNC. He has achieved great business success, mostly from acquiring, restructuring, and selling companies, including back-room deals (crony capitalism...back-room deals with select corporations). He specializes in leveraged buyouts and distressed businesses. It was with the assistance and assurance of Ross, then senior managing director of Rothschild Inc. (an investment banking company), that Trump was allowed to keep his casinos and rebuild his businesses, when his businesses failed. Ross is known as "the king of bankruptcy" for his work regarding the Pennsylvania steel business; he was supposed to "save" the PA steel companies; instead, he made a ton of money from the bankrupting of the steel companies (he bought five companies that were in trouble and filing bankruptcy, packaged them as a deal, and sold them...he was the largest beneficiary of the steel business, making more than $4 billion dollars, in no small part from large cuts in steel worker pensions).

Dept of Labor Secretary: Andy Puzder, the fast-food CEO chosen for Labor secretary, raised campaign cash for Trump and personally contributed $388,000 to the RNC and $150,000 to Trump’s joint fundraiser. He also gave $10,000 to Rebuilding America Now. Lawyer and CEO of fast food places. Anti-minimum wage believer in charge of labor. Opposes government regulation of corporations. Hints of sexism in his past. Supports the use of foreign workers.

Secretary of Eduation: Another Trump Cabinet selection, Betsy DeVos, belongs to one of the top Republican donor families in the country. The Education secretary pick, however, was no booster of Trump’s. She gave $50,000 to a super PAC supporting Sen. Marco Rubio. She also wired the maximum amount to another of Trump’s primary rivals, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker. American billionaire, businesswoman, philanthropist, and education activist from Michigan. DeVos is known for her advocacy of school choice, voucher programs, and ties to the Reformed Christian community. DeVos is married to Dick DeVos and is the daughter-in-law of Richard DeVos, the founder of Amway with an estimated net worth of $5.1 billion.

Chief Strategist and Sr. Counselor: Steve Bannon. Executive chair of Breitbart News, an alt-right opinion and commentary site. Investment banker at Goldman Sachs. Launched Bannon & Co, an investment bank. Exec. producer in Hollywood, making a flattering film about Sarah Palin.

Director of National Economic Council (The council helps advise the president on economic policy): Expected to be the second-in-command at Goldman Sachs, Gary Cohn. (Trump had repeatedly attacked the financial elite — and Goldman Sachs in particular. He said, "I know the guys at Goldman Sachs; they have total, total control over Ted Cruz, just like they have total control over Hillary Clinton.”)

Note: Goldman Sachs is the top stock gainer since the election, rising more than 33% from $181.48 on Nov. 7th to $241.85 12/9.

To voters who believed Trump was going to drain the swamp, take notice: He's stacked his cabinet WITH the swamp. The special interests, particularly Goldman Sachs, now have unprecedented power in the control of the country.
It's official...Gary Cohn of Goldman Sachs has been named by Trump to be the Director of the National Economic Council, in charge of making key decisions on the country's economy.

The circle is now complete. The oligarchy is in place.

Goldman has 1/3 of the Federal Reserve Council places (these are supposed to be people who represent the public....not corporate influence), and now has 3 of the powerful cabinet positions. Russia owns one of the GS cabinet people, and one of the Federal Reserve Council people.

One company, Goldman Sachs (who Trump railed against in his campaign, as "owning" Cruz and Clinton) now controls YOUR economic status.

Goldman owns 4 of the 5 seats of the powerful Federal Open Markets Committee. 4...out of 5.

Oh, and Goldman Sachs rec'd $2.9 BILLION dollars to keep for itself, courtesy of the Treasury Dept, during the Great Recession. (AIG gave GS the money, in a questionable scheme, that GS at first denied then admited.) Goldman prospered and did not lose one cent during the Great Recession. It's good to have powerful positions in the federal govt!
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Old 12-12-2016, 02:46 PM
 
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And here Trump gave Hilary a raft of crap during the debates for giving paid speeches to Goldman Sachs. And what does Trump do? Appoints Goldman Sachs to his cabinet.

Trump is not going to be our president. There are safety valves in the constitution for disasters like this that will be pulled.
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Old 12-12-2016, 02:55 PM
 
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Treasury Secretary: Former Goldman Sachs partner Steven Mnuchin, the president-elect’s choice for Treasury secretary, served as Trump’s top fundraiser and personally contributed $430,000 to Trump and to the Republican National Committee’s joint fundraising account. (Trump had railed against special interests, and particularly Goldman Sachs, during his campaign, stating that Goldman Sachs had total control of Cruz and Hillary Clinton. Surprise!)

Head of Small Business Administration: Pro wrestling magnate Linda McMahon, Trump’s pick to head the Small Business Administration, gave $6 million to Rebuilding America Now, a super PAC that backed Trump. She also gave $153,000 to Trump’s joint fundraising account and more than $400,000 to the RNC. She was a professional wrestling magnate and a Republican politician. Previously filed for bankruptcy (like Trump), and rec'd food stamps.

Secretary of Commerce: Billionaire investor Wilbur Ross, Trump’s choice for Commerce secretary, had a senior role on Trump’s fundraising team. He gave $200,000 to Trump’s joint fundraising account and $117,000 to the RNC. He has achieved great business success, mostly from acquiring, restructuring, and selling companies, including back-room deals (crony capitalism...back-room deals with select corporations). He specializes in leveraged buyouts and distressed businesses. It was with the assistance and assurance of Ross, then senior managing director of Rothschild Inc. (an investment banking company), that Trump was allowed to keep his casinos and rebuild his businesses, when his businesses failed. Ross is known as "the king of bankruptcy" for his work regarding the Pennsylvania steel business; he was supposed to "save" the PA steel companies; instead, he made a ton of money from the bankrupting of the steel companies (he bought five companies that were in trouble and filing bankruptcy, packaged them as a deal, and sold them...he was the largest beneficiary of the steel business, making more than $4 billion dollars, in no small part from large cuts in steel worker pensions).

Dept of Labor Secretary: Andy Puzder, the fast-food CEO chosen for Labor secretary, raised campaign cash for Trump and personally contributed $388,000 to the RNC and $150,000 to Trump’s joint fundraiser. He also gave $10,000 to Rebuilding America Now. Lawyer and CEO of fast food places. Anti-minimum wage believer in charge of labor. Opposes government regulation of corporations. Hints of sexism in his past. Supports the use of foreign workers.

Secretary of Eduation: Another Trump Cabinet selection, Betsy DeVos, belongs to one of the top Republican donor families in the country. The Education secretary pick, however, was no booster of Trump’s. She gave $50,000 to a super PAC supporting Sen. Marco Rubio. She also wired the maximum amount to another of Trump’s primary rivals, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker. American billionaire, businesswoman, philanthropist, and education activist from Michigan. DeVos is known for her advocacy of school choice, voucher programs, and ties to the Reformed Christian community. DeVos is married to Dick DeVos and is the daughter-in-law of Richard DeVos, the founder of Amway with an estimated net worth of $5.1 billion.

Chief Strategist and Sr. Counselor: Steve Bannon. Executive chair of Breitbart News, an alt-right opinion and commentary site. Investment banker at Goldman Sachs. Launched Bannon & Co, an investment bank. Exec. producer in Hollywood, making a flattering film about Sarah Palin.

Director of National Economic Council (The council helps advise the president on economic policy): Expected to be the second-in-command at Goldman Sachs, Gary Cohn. (Trump had repeatedly attacked the financial elite — and Goldman Sachs in particular. He said, "I know the guys at Goldman Sachs; they have total, total control over Ted Cruz, just like they have total control over Hillary Clinton.”)

Note: Goldman Sachs is the top stock gainer since the election, rising more than 33% from $181.48 on Nov. 7th to $241.85 12/9.

To voters who believed Trump was going to drain the swamp, take notice: He's stacked his cabinet WITH the swamp. The special interests, particularly Goldman Sachs, now have unprecedented power in the control of the country.
So you would have preferred that he chose life long political hacks that have zero experience running a large, complex enterprise? THAT is what we have now and we have nothing but debt, red tape and economic suffocation to show for it.
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Old 12-12-2016, 03:00 PM
 
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And here Trump gave Hilary a raft of crap during the debates for giving paid speeches to Goldman Sachs. And what does Trump do? Appoints Goldman Sachs to his cabinet.

Trump is not going to be our president. There are safety valves in the constitution for disasters like this that will be pulled.
We won. Live with it.
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