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For the same reason that liberals, who endlessly voice their support of the endless growth of Big Government, NEVER, EVER send a voluntary check on top of their required tax payments. Yet to hear them talk, you'd think Washington is responsible for everything good in America.
China is cracking down. What was in the past is irrelevant.
Nobody forces anyone to go where they can freely pollute.
So you are saying China has US-style environmental regs and that the regulators are enforcing them in the manner it happens here? If not, then pollution still increases when we regulate companies out of the US,and that's before we add the environmental impact of shipping it back to the US.
People need to start looking at the total environmental impact of the choices being made. Shutting it down in the US does no good if the demand still exists.
So you are saying China has US-style environmental regs and that the regulators are enforcing them in the manner it happens here? If not, then pollution still increases when we regulate companies out of the US,and that's before we add the environmental impact of shipping it back to the US.
People need to start looking at the total environmental impact of the choices being made. Shutting it down in the US does no good if the demand still exists.
Nobody has shut any business down and forced it to go to another country.
Nobody has shut any business down and forced it to go to another country.
No, but they have been indirectly "forced" to leave thru the forces of the economy/market (which leftists make worse with their taxes etc). It's so simple
Leftists want all the trappings/goodies of hi-tech civilization, but they don't want the pollution/dirty factories/slave labor associated with producing those shiny gadgets at an affordable price. You can't have both
No, but they have been indirectly "forced" to leave thru the forces of the economy/market (which leftists make worse with their taxes etc). It's so simple
No they haven't.
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Leftists want all the trappings/goodies of hi-tech civilization, but they don't want the pollution/dirty factories/slave labor associated with producing those shiny gadgets at an affordable price. You can't have both
We can.
According to a teardown carried out by IHS Markit, a 32GB iPhone 7 that retails for $649 costs Apple only $219.80 in components, with manufacturing adding another $5 to the price.
Do you really think that Apple will go under if the cost of manufacturing even triples? Quadruples?
Leftists want all the trappings/goodies of hi-tech civilization, but they don't want the pollution/dirty factories/slave labor associated with producing those shiny gadgets at an affordable price. You can't have both
Unless your witty post was composed on a Commodore 64 or a KayPro II, you're using one of those shiny gadgets, so by your own logic I guess you want the pollution/dirty factories/slave labor associated with producing them.
Nobody has shut any business down and forced it to go to another country.
Businesses give many reasons for why they leave, and not always the truth if it is politically incorrect.
Are you saying that the environmental impact is less if manufacturing is done in China rather than in the US. If not, then environmentalists should be doing everything they can to retain manufacturing in the US and to bring back businesses that left for China.
True environmentalism is basic math and science devoid of politics. If the pollution for any given operation would be is less in the US than in China, then environmentalists should work to keep it in the US. Most so called environmentalists however are of the NIMBY variety. I live in Vermont which is a very eco-friendly State that sings the praises of renewal energy all day long. However, pretty much every solar project is fought tooth and nail because it is never the right size or in the right spot. Propose a wind project and near hysteria ensues. Hydro power can't even be spoken of and forget transmission lines that will bring hydro power down from Quebec. Transmission lines are ugly I hear. Biomass generated energy? Not a chance. Want to burn cleaner natural gas instead of oil? Great, but just don't try to pipe it anywhere. To a one however they want the lights to come on when they flick the switch. They just want the environmental impact to be in some other State. Collectively nationwide, environmentalists just want the impact to be in another country more than they want the actual least polluting impact.
No, they won't go under. But there's a reason Apple and most other consumer electronics companies manufacture in China. In electronics manufacturing, particularly consumer electronics, the name of the game is to squeeze every last cent out of the product cost, because that is pure profit.
For a while, I worked on consumer electronics products. We would constantly scrub the bills of materials, looking for ways to cut parts costs. With one product I worked, I was told to reduce the final test time by 5x, because that extra test time cost money. (I didn't like it, since it was a new product, but was overruled).
Using the iPhone example, if Apple sells 100 million phones (a conservative estimate, since shipments the past 2 years were double this), and the cost of manufacturing goes from $5 to $15, that's $1 billion less profit. And that's only phones - never mind iPads and computers. Could Apple absorb this lost profit? Sure. But corporations aren't magnanimous or patriotic - they're in it to make as much money as possible.
It sucks, and I personally would like to see more manufacturing in the U.S., but there aren't easy answers to this.
You are arguing that we should say "screw the environment and the health of the people to make sure Apple get their few percent more profit.
Screw that. I didn't vote for Trump but I do hope he lives up to his promises to put it to the companies that do this.
No, they won't go under. But there's a reason Apple and most other consumer electronics companies manufacture in China. In electronics manufacturing, particularly consumer electronics, the name of the game is to squeeze every last cent out of the product cost, because that is pure profit.
For a while, I worked on consumer electronics products. We would constantly scrub the bills of materials, looking for ways to cut parts costs. With one product I worked, I was told to reduce the final test time by 5x, because that extra test time cost money. (I didn't like it, since it was a new product, but was overruled).
Using the iPhone example, if Apple sells 100 million phones (a conservative estimate, since shipments the past 2 years were double this), and the cost of manufacturing goes from $5 to $15, that's $1 billion less profit. And that's only phones - never mind iPads and computers. Could Apple absorb this lost profit? Sure. But corporations aren't magnanimous or patriotic - they're in it to make as much money as possible.
It sucks, and I personally would like to see more manufacturing in the U.S., but there aren't easy answers to this.
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You are arguing that we should say "screw the environment and the health of the people to make sure Apple get their few percent more profit.
Screw that. I didn't vote for Trump but I do hope he lives up to his promises to put it to the companies that do this.
It doesn't appear troymclure is satisfied with the status quo given his last sentence.
From my perspective, he seems to be applying a critical thinking approach to problem solving. After all, the first steps, using that approach, are to:
Identify the problem
Define the circumstances
His response seemed to be to pragmatically define the circumstances in an already identified problem. & the fact that he is seeking answers is more than promising.
Mr. Friedman wrote the following essay in 1970, he describes an ideology that is stunningly familiar in the present day, & further defines the context/circumstances/framework one would need to consider if problem solving or trouble shooting was the goal or objective:
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When I hear businessmen speak eloquently about the "social responsibilities of business in a free-enterprise system," I ...
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