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This is incredibly, well, mostly wrong. It is true that most responsibility is laid at the feet of corporations and that is wrong but when the people do get involved is where this idea goes off track or becomes circular reasoning.
Someone decided that it was too expensive to do what was right here and maintain the equipment. It actually costs the company a ton, not increased it's profit. On the other hand it wasn't all their fault. There were supposed to be inspections that obviously never got done.
WE mess up here by only holding one side accountable for their inactions.
Theories are wonderful things in a classroom but they never work in real life like they do in a classroom.
This is incredibly, well, mostly wrong. It is true that most responsibility is laid at the feet of corporations and that is wrong but when the people do get involved is where this idea goes off track or becomes circular reasoning.
Someone decided that it was too expensive to do what was right here and maintain the equipment. It actually costs the company a ton, not increased it's profit. On the other hand it wasn't all their fault. There were supposed to be inspections that obviously never got done.
WE mess up here by only holding one side accountable for their inactions.
Theories are wonderful things in a classroom but they never work in real life like they do in a classroom.
Do you mean Mr. Friedman is wrong? Or I was wrong to perceive that troymclure was applying a critical thinking approach to problem solving?
Whether you agree with Mr. Friedman's 'take' on the subject or not, it's not helpful (if the goal/objective is problem solving & not an exercise in mental masturbation) to ignore his influence on the present day climate.
Long story short: you agree with Mr. Friedman in theory?
Do you mean Mr. Friedman is wrong? Or I was wrong to perceive that troymclure was applying a critical thinking approach to problem solving?
Whether you agree with Mr. Friedman's 'take' on the subject or not, it's not helpful (if the goal/objective is problem solving & not an exercise in mental masturbation) to ignore his influence on the present day climate.
Long story short: you agree with Mr. Friedman in theory?
No. But that isn't saying that I agree with nothing he says. I pointed out where I agreed with him. A business that only cares about profit is not a business long to be a business.
While they are not going to go out of business, look at what that thinking just cost VW.
No. But that isn't saying that I agree with nothing he says. I pointed out where I agreed with him. A business that only cares about profit is not a business long to be a business.
While they are not going to go out of business, look at what that thinking just cost VW.
That brings to mind Exxon, they undertood the impact of fossil fuels on the climate particularly in the arctic but they continued to fund organizations that refuted the science. VW was exposed otherwise they would have continued on as they have for decades. Some businesses are good neighbors but the free market doesn't always correct abuses.
In no way did I argue that. I'm not sure how you construed my post as such. Actually, when it comes to environmental regulations, I'd be considered a tree-hugging commie. But we live in a free capitalistic society As such, as things currently stand, companies will go where they can get the cheapest labor.
No we do not.
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And that is one of the many reasons I didn't vote for Trump. If you think he cares about environmental regulations, just look at his cabinet picks. The common theme seems to be the old smokescreen that "regulations" are killing business. Just wait til he and his posse get in office and start rolling back those regulations.
I didn't vote for Trump nor have I said anything that should have made anyone think I did.
That brings to mind Exxon, they undertood the impact of fossil fuels on the climate particularly in the arctic but they continued to fund organizations that refuted the science. VW was exposed otherwise they would have continued on as they have for decades. Some businesses are good neighbors but the free market doesn't always correct abuses.
EPA's notice of violation of the Clean Air Act to Volkswagen [press statement]
Investigation into "defeat device" allegedly used to circumvent emissions tests began with ICCT-sponsored research on in-use emissions from diesel passenger cars
Highlights the global need for vigilant enforcement of air pollution laws by regulatory agencies in all vehicle markets
The International Council on Clean Transportation applauds the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and California Air Resources Board for their announcement today of an investigation into possible violations of the Clean Air Act by Volkswagen, through the use of defeat devices on diesel passenger cars from 2009 to 2015.
“This is a powerful affirmation of U.S. federal and California vehicle emission regulations, and of the agencies” said Drew Kodjak, ICCT's Executive Director. “Clear protocols, in-use requirements for the useful life of vehicles, clear enforcement follow-through, the authority to fine and force recalls—these are 'best practices' that regulations worldwide should incorporate, and today's announcement shows why."
The EPA and CARB action has its beginnings in an ICCT research project done in collaboration with West Virginia University during 2013 and 2014, which aimed to evaluate real-world operating emissions from light-duty diesel vehicles in the United States. The ICCT conducted in-use tests, using portable emissions modeling systems, on three vehicles: a VW Jetta, a VW Passat, and a BMW X5. ...
Obama did not "lower the temperature of the planet", you liberals need to give it up already with your alarmism, fear-mongering, and underhanded tactics You guys are almost on par with Alex Jones in terms of your alarmism
And no, simply raising taxes will not "lower the temperature" either QUIT trying to personally enrich yourselves using "climate change" and cute-looking animals as excuses for asking for donations, money, grants, etc. It's dishonest, some of you enviro-lefties pay lip service to "the environment" when in reality you're just about the money and lining your own pockets
It's all over for you enviro-lefties/greenies, Trump will put an end to your leftie/hippie crap! In fact I'm GLAD that Trump is staffing his administration with big oil/fossil fuel types. Hopefully they "clean house" and get rid of you enviro-lefties/commies once and for all and repeal all your excessive taxes/regulations
Enviro-leftists are like watermelons.... "green" on the outside, RED on the inside (socialist/communist/etc)
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You guys are almost on par with Alex Jones in terms of your alarmism 
