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Old 12-26-2016, 10:52 AM
 
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Are you talking about suing the press for allegedly running a false slanderous story about Melania? Are you not spinning this in a fake news story sort of way?

Another wedge issue? Has the left talked about regulating radio political talk shows, etc...?
No, I am talking about trump wanting to control the press, like most dictators do. What fake news? Does not matter, because two wrongs do not equate to a right, nice excuse, too bad it does not actually excuse bad behavior.
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Old 12-26-2016, 10:54 AM
 
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Russia's economy is about the same size as Spain's. Russia should be a European problem.
Sounds good until you look at the size of their Military, then it becomes a world problem.
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Old 12-26-2016, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I have friends in Romania; they think us totally uninformed and utterly naive about Putin. In our defense, we haven't experienced the devastation and destruction of our country, land, homes since the time of the Civil War (and even that was localized to the South). The fear of a repeat with resulting aggressiveness simply isn't part of our collective memory.
I also know people in Europe, and many smaller countries like Sweden and Finland have increased their military cooperation with US due to increasing threat from Putin. Trumps win was a major concern because of his anti-NATO comments, and because of his pro-Russia stance.
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Old 12-26-2016, 11:09 AM
 
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The only time that the US has been at odds with Russia was during the Soviet era when dividing up the spoils of WWII ect. The Soviets believed they earned more than the received which was the cause for much tension.

But really, there is no natural hatred between Russia and the US. They supported the union during the Civil War and even supported the Colonies during the Revolutionary War. They let their claim on North America go for a song (west coast and Alaska).

My ideal Russia policy is to allow them to control their sphere of influence and leave them alone and cooperate whenever possible to kill Islamic Terrorism everywhere it shows it's head.

Russo-American conflict is a Democratic invention.
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Old 12-26-2016, 11:16 AM
 
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Why do hard core leftists, those left who still think Hillary won election and believe Obama is best president ever, think Russia is the United States enemy?
  • American Business has billions invested in Russia. This despite Obama's silly sanctions.
  • Russians have billions invested in the USA. This despite Obama's silly sanctions.
  • United States Astronauts need to ride on Putin's Spaceships to go to space station after Obama gutted NASA.
  • ISIS, which rose to power under Obama, is a common enemy of the United States and Russian Federation. Trump promises to work with Russia, instead of against them, to defeat this common foe.
Seems to me this doesn't describe an enemy country.
Russia is our enemy, we would be foolish to count them as allies.

That does not however mean we can not be civil to each other, but to claim that a communist nation is a friend? You do realize that Russia stands counter to everything this country was founded on do you not? Even Putin understands that we have specific differences that can never be resolved, we will be at complete odds always due to them. That said, he also understands that this does not mean we have to be at each others throats constantly, nor does it mean we should refuse to cooperate in some situations where there is a common goal (ie against radical islam).

The progressives do not think Russia is an enemy, they too are Communists. Russia was merely a tool for their politics and so they threw Russia under the bus in hopes they could further their cause. Also consider Russia had a disagreement in the middle east with them and so as you know, a disagreement with a progressive often results in their complete hate.

Regardless, we should be very careful with Russia. We don't need to have another cold war, but we also don't need to cozy up to them like they are our friends, they most certainly are not. They only seem that way because progressives have elevated themselves to such a serious threat against the US that even our enemies are defending us against them.
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Old 12-26-2016, 11:17 AM
 
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I also know people in Europe, and many smaller countries like Sweden and Finland have increased their military cooperation with US due to increasing threat from Putin. Trumps win was a major concern because of his anti-NATO comments, and because of his pro-Russia stance.
There's a lot of fear on both sides - countries surrounding Russia and in Russia itself - that we simply don't quite tap into. No personal opinion on future US policy here (it's too bloody complicated). Pulling back from being the world's policemen has a certain appeal but the US should not adopt that stance lightly without a full assessment of possible consequences.

Here's a February 2015 article from a Romanian publication (Nine O'Clock):

"Moscow has also made a list of these targets, and the list also includes the future command center to be positioned by NATO on Romania’s territory. ... After military evaluations made by Russia, the military bases about to be built in Romania will provide the opportunity for more than missile defence devices. Russia is terribly worried that cruise missiles may be launched there as well, or similar devices. Russia will be forced to react not only to the appearance of command center, but also to that of any weapon deposits or any other kind of military infrastructure. We know that offensive potential may be created in Romania as well, this is why we will also seek means to annihilate the Romanian military fleet as well. I think that the confrontation will increase between our countries and unfortunately, we are entitled to have this opinionâ€, Vladimir Evseev, the Head of the Centre for Political and Military Studies in Moscow declared to Liviu Iurea, TVR correspondent in Moscow.

Russia warns Romania | Nine O`Clock
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Old 12-26-2016, 11:18 AM
 
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Russia is our enemy, we would be foolish to count them as allies.

That does not however mean we can not be civil to each other, but to claim that a communist nation is a friend? You do realize that Russia stands counter to everything this country was founded on do you not? Even Putin understands that we have specific differences that can never be resolved, we will be at complete odds always due to them. That said, he also understands that this does not mean we have to be at each others throats constantly, nor does it mean we should refuse to cooperate in some situations where there is a common goal (ie against radical islam).

The progressives do not think Russia is an enemy, they too are Communists. Russia was merely a tool for their politics and so they threw Russia under the bus in hopes they could further their cause. Also consider Russia had a disagreement in the middle east with them and so as you know, a disagreement with a progressive often results in their complete hate.

Regardless, we should be very careful with Russia. We don't need to have another cold war, but we also don't need to cozy up to them like they are our friends, they most certainly are not. They only seem that way because progressives have elevated themselves to such a serious threat against the US that even our enemies are defending us against them.
Hold on just a second. Russia is still communist? I'm not an expert so I'm not saying you are wrong but is this accurate?

And Obama just made us friends with Cuba which is 100% Communist and oppressive to it's people.
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Old 12-26-2016, 12:07 PM
 
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Hold on just a second. Russia is still communist? I'm not an expert so I'm not saying you are wrong but is this accurate?

And Obama just made us friends with Cuba which is 100% Communist and oppressive to it's people.
Not in the strictest sense of the definition, more in the collective nature of the country. Even in the communist party rule, they were never completely communist then, but in this day and age arguing over strict definitions is merely a means to avoid accepting the basic truth of the issue.

They are more socialist in many elements than they are communist, but they still believe in a "collective" ideal as opposed to the US which is "individuality" in its own design. Fact is, we are not allies, nor do we share the same ultimate ideals. We need to get away from the state powers, from collective systems (SSI, Medicare, etc....) not continue on those concepts.

That said, this doesn't mean we should be at each others throats.


Obama also kisses the hands of dictators, bows as an inferior to other countries leaders and likes to support terrorist organizations, so I think we can dismiss any action of his as being a direct attack on American values. Fact is, the guy should have been impeached and put in jail within his first term.
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Old 12-26-2016, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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That's not fair to single our Joe Biden for having his son Hunter put onto the Board of Directors of Burisma, the nationalized oil/gas company of Ukraine! John Kerry also had his son's best friend, Devon Archer, named to the Board of Directors as well.

"The younger Mr Biden isn't the only American with political ties to have recently joined Burisma's board. Devon Archer, a former senior advisor to current Secretary of State John Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign and a college roommate of Mr Kerry's stepson HJ Heinz, signed on in April.

Mr Biden and Mr Archer are also managing partners at Rosemont Seneca Partners, a Washington, DC-based investment company."

BBC: Vice President Joe Biden's son joins Ukraine gas company
Vice President Joe Biden's son joins Ukraine gas company - BBC News



"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."


- Rahm Emanuel




Looks like the Dems were trying to pull off the same sort of shenanigans in Russia's sphere of influence that they do here and it went over like a fart in church.




Anyone else notice the Dem's pattern of constantly trying to smearing their opponents with the same mud they wallow in?
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Old 12-26-2016, 01:01 PM
 
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"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."


- Rahm Emanuel




Looks like the Dems were trying to pull off the same sort of shenanigans in Russia's sphere of influence that they do here and it went over like a fart in church.




Anyone else notice the Dem's pattern of constantly trying to smearing their opponents with the same mud they wallow in?
Do you have a problem with the Dems using the Repubs own tactics against them, better grow a thicker skin.
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