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Old 12-30-2016, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Typical confusion of cause and effect.

Obama was basically doing damage control after the banks almost ran the country into the ground by engaging in mass scale fraudulent schemes involving financial derivatives of mortgages. I remember how things looked in the winter of 2008 and what was on the horizon was unlike anything that anyone on these boards have seen in their lifetimes. I think Obama's administration did an awesome job containing the damage and kind of, sort of, kept America from becoming a failed state.

So you don't like more food stamp use? Would you prefer it if the people who lost everything to Wall Street greed just starved?
The food stamp program was not intended to sustain the nation, nor was it intended to take the place of real jobs. People are supposed to be working and paying taxes, not trying to mooch off an ever shrinking base of tax payers.
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Old 12-30-2016, 04:08 PM
 
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The food stamp program was not intended to sustain the nation, nor was it intended to take the place of real jobs. People are supposed to be working and paying taxes, not trying to mooch off an ever shrinking base of tax payers.
Except in 2008 there just were no jobs for many, many people. And not much business opportunity as the economy was in free fall. Since we are a civilized society, we have programs to prevent people from just dying on the streets. Or do you think it should be everone for themselves, with zero attempts to help each other, as in jungle style?
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Old 12-30-2016, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Except in 2008 there just were no jobs for many, many people. And not much business opportunity as the economy was in free fall. Since we are a civilized society, we have programs to prevent people from just dying on the streets. Or do you think it should be everone for themselves, with zero attempts to help each other, as in jungle style?
This isn't 2008. Obama and his worshipers have been telling us for years now that the recession is over and things are better than ever. Yet, the number of families that depend on food stamps and other government handouts has not changed dramatically, if at all.
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Old 12-30-2016, 04:12 PM
 
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Well, let's see. Maybe the new government can create an environment in which everyone can have a job paying a living wage. One can only hope.
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Old 12-30-2016, 04:13 PM
 
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Except in 2008 there just were no jobs for many, many people. And not much business opportunity as the economy was in free fall. Since we are a civilized society, we have programs to prevent people from just dying on the streets. Or do you think it should be everone for themselves, with zero attempts to help each other, as in jungle style?
2008 was 8 years ago. Why is the amount of people on food stamps continuing to rise?
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Old 12-30-2016, 04:17 PM
 
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Opps. My bad.

But even that says something too. Costs have ballooned under Obama.

Basically his economic policy is to borrow money from the taxpayers of the future to pay people not to work now as answer to the destruction of their jobs due to his economic policy.

Insanity at its best.
Food stamps is not in lieu of payment. Most SNAP recipients who can work, do.

I'm all for improving our safety net to get more people working. But I'm not for making **** up to suit a narrative.

Nothing Obama has done qualifies him to be the worst president. Andrew Johnson remains the worst.
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Old 12-30-2016, 04:23 PM
 
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2008 was 8 years ago. Why is the amount of people on food stamps continuing to rise?
Uhm, because people want to eat? If one works 50 hours a week for the $7.25 minimum wage, that is $1,500 a month. There are a lot of people like that in America.

Try living on $1500/month (or even $3000 if you are a couple) and budgeting for rent, car (no public transport in most of the country), medical care and possibly daycare...still surprised about food stamp usage?
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Old 12-30-2016, 04:29 PM
 
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Uhm, because people want to eat? If one works 50 hours a week for the $7.25 minimum wage, that is $1,500 a month. There are a lot of people like that in America.

Try living on $1500/month (or even $3000 if you are a couple) and budgeting for rent, car (no public transport in most of the country), medical care and possibly daycare...still surprised about food stamp usage?
The employee needs to have the courage to demand a living wage. You'd be surprised how courageous people suddenly become when they are a little hungry.

Make businesses pay their fair share. Stop enabling them to depend on the tax payers. We are overburdened enough.
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Old 12-30-2016, 04:30 PM
 
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And then there's this little fact:



Obama’s Numbers July 2016 Update
The number of those leaving food stamps has accelerated because they reinstated the mandatory work rule and a lot of people who were receiving food stamps still haven't been able to find employment, so they therefore do not qualify for food stamps. You have to either work a job minimum 20 hours/week (which depends upon the employer hiring you out of all the thousand other applicants for that job opening) or volunteer at an approved place for 20 hours/week (which depends on there being a need at one of the approved places for volunteering and the one in charge picking you out of all the other people trying to get a volunteer spot). If you're not lucky and you don't get picked then your food stamps are cut off as well. So, the food stamp recipients who likely were already job searching without any luck are dependent upon one of these places to pick them so they can eat. There is no exemption made for anyone obviously trying to find work. Employers do not even want to hire someone who has been turned down for employment for years at a time. I've heard this being called a "jobless recovery." When places like McDonald's are even refusing to hire you then there's no chance for anything better.

Most people on food stamps are already working low wage jobs though.
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Old 12-30-2016, 04:50 PM
 
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Numbers of people needing food stamps grew dramatically under Obama. This as millions of middle class jobs disappeared due to lack of sensible industrial policy by Obama.

The results speak for themselves.

Chart Of Food Stamp Usage


WORST PRESIDENT EVER: Obama's Food Stamp Nation
Funny how people like you are so blinded by your hatred that you can't even read statistics correctly.

If you look at the chart, the food stamps started to rise more sharply after Bush took office, and then really spiked just as he was leaving office and left us with his recession - the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression. Of course, it's true that the Obama administration may also have been more compassionate than Bush's, perhaps willing to let more people under the umbrella, but I see the numbers are not starting to drop.

By the way, most experts agree that Obama is probably going to go down in history as a pretty good president, especially considering what he had to deal with.
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