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It's funny how you (and others) can remain clueless over the fact that the (D)'s were thrown out of power over this. Trump didn't hide the fact that he was going to toss Obamacare and he won.
Please. Obamacare is just one small part of the tapestry as it were. And many of the people voting for him believed that it wouldn't actually happen. Which amuses, and horrifies me.
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Unfortunately, not for awhile. I've said this all along. Obamacare HURT the chances of Universal Health Care because it showed once again how incompetent the government can be.
Actually its been pretty good. Some true stupidity in my local government handling the website stuff. But the ACA itself...the individual parts of it are AMAZINGLY popular. But when you say "Obamacare" that's VERY unpopular. That is effective propaganda.
Truly effective propaganda has hurt the chances of Universal Health Care.
But that propaganda is about to run into reality. People LOVE having their kids on their healthcare, no preconditions, etc etc. And...those things need the bad things to work correctly. IE the fine for not having healthcare, etc. So when they pull them out, everything fails. And they will need a new plan. And its going to be a disaster.
I dont believe the GOP will fix this. The best idea they ever had was from the Heritage foundation. And thats what became Obamacare.
There is NO way to fix it. It can't be done. It only passed because of lie after lie after lie. Hopefully those like yourself will learn there are repercussions for actions like that and no longer support it.
I do and I support ending the wars and using that money to provide Universal Health Care to all. Everyone.
Hyperbole does not phase me. Millions are still not covered and millions more can not afford to use what they have.
Obamacare is Exhibit "A" for the case against government run healthcare.
Giving up BC PPO so I can rot on a waiting list with people who don't want to work is a non-starter.
Please. Obamacare is just one small part of the tapestry as it were. And many of the people voting for him believed that it wouldn't actually happen. Which amuses, and horrifies me.
Completely and totally dissmissable. Obamacare has been a failure and people want it tossed. I want UHC and I want it tossed. Anything that is built upon lie after lie after lie is not savable.
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Actually its been pretty good. Some true stupidity in my local government handling the website stuff. But the ACA itself...the individual parts of it are AMAZINGLY popular. But when you say "Obamacare" that's VERY unpopular. That is effective propaganda.
Small sections were popular which is where Obama should have went. Yes, people like the pre-existing conditions part and keeping kids on health insurance until 26 but they despise the lies told to pass it. If Obama had passed the popular parts he would NOT have lost the House and Senate. He could have been immensely popular and continued to recreate health care in the next years.
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Truly effective propaganda has hurt the chances of Universal Health Care.
Yes, like "You can keep your policy if you like your policy".
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But that propaganda is about to run into reality. People LOVE having their kids on their healthcare, no preconditions, etc etc. And...those things need the bad things to work correctly. IE the fine for not having healthcare, etc. So when they pull them out, everything fails. And they will need a new plan. And its going to be a disaster.
There is NO etc, etc.
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I dont believe the GOP will fix this. The best idea they ever had was from the Heritage foundation. And thats what became Obamacare.
I do not believe they will either and I do not support them in this.
A clickbait site. (easy to tell when you have to click for each career). I'm not going to do it but this has been covered many, many times. There are only so many of these types of jobs available. The lower rung jobs still have to be filled. They still have to be done.
Completely and totally dissmissable. Obamacare has been a failure and people want it tossed. I want UHC and I want it tossed. Anything that is built upon lie after lie after lie is not savable.
On the plus side we both agree on UHC. I would have far preferred that. Even at a low level of service it would make a huge difference.
It would also increase the competitiveness of our businesses who would be on even ground compared to other businesses around the world.
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Small sections were popular which is where Obama should have went. Yes, people like the pre-existing conditions part and keeping kids on health insurance until 26 but they despise the lies told to pass it. If Obama had passed the popular parts he would NOT have lost the House and Senate. He could have been immensely popular and continued to recreate health care in the next years.
Again-see above. just a tad under half like it. And the other 50%? A LOT of them have bought into the propaganda. Seriously, the daily show interviews people about this, cause its amazing how misinformed they are. I mean look at you, you believe that Obamacare is why they failed, when almost half the country likes it.
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Yes, like "You can keep your policy if you like your policy".
I kept mine. Lots of people did. Did it get slightly modified? Sure. For the better.
People who didn't? Had BAD insurance. They relied on US to cover them if it got really expensive.
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There is NO etc, etc.
Shrug. I could point to standards of care, re-admittance changes, and more. Theres tons of etc etc.
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I do not believe they will either and I do not support them in this.
On the plus side we both agree on UHC. I would have far preferred that. Even at a low level of service it would make a huge difference.
It would also increase the competitiveness of our businesses who would be on even ground compared to other businesses around the world.
And it's not going to happen without Obamacare gone. Obamacare is nothing but a huge welfare program for the insurance and pharmaceutical companies.
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Again-see above. just a tad under half like it. And the other 50%? A LOT of them have bought into the propaganda. Seriously, the daily show interviews people about this, cause its amazing how misinformed they are. I mean look at you, you believe that Obamacare is why they failed, when almost half the country likes it.
The Daily Show? Seriously?
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I kept mine. Lots of people did. Did it get slightly modified? Sure. For the better.
People who didn't? Had BAD insurance. They relied on US to cover them if it got really expensive.
Shrug. I could point to standards of care, re-admittance changes, and more. Theres tons of etc etc.
Yeah, shall be interesting times.
This is why people voted for Trump. A 50 year old couple not having birth control covered does not mean they had a bad policy.
Barely. And geuss what? She did win the popular vote. Really they should have paid more attention to where they were weak, its not a popularity contest. Nate silver showed him with a 30%+ chance all the way to the end. a 30% chance doesn't mean "Oh he loses". It means its really close. Its almost like people cant understand probability.
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And it's not going to happen without Obamacare gone. Obamacare is nothing but a huge welfare program for the insurance and pharmaceutical companies.
there is a LOT more to it. But yes-it was a big giveaway in many ways. Took United Healthcare stock from $17 in 2008 to $176 or so today. And it was the only way to get it passed. The Republicans refused to help, so they needed ALL of the democrats. And that came with a price. But it did slow down the rate increases, while insuring a LOT more people.
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The Daily Show? Seriously?
Thats kind of my point. Its so ridiculous that comedy shows like to show people it.
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This is why people voted for Trump. A 50 year old couple not having birth control covered does not mean they had a bad policy.
this is a foolish argument. I'm disappointed in you. You've been listening to too much propaganda
Guess what? I paid for birth control before the ACA. My works plan covered it. Thats the POINT of having large groups in it. Everyone at my work paid the same amount, and it covered everything from viagra for the old folks, to birth control for the young ones. Its how insurance generally works for most folks.
Barely. And geuss what? She did win the popular vote. Really they should have paid more attention to where they were weak, its not a popularity contest. Nate silver showed him with a 30%+ chance all the way to the end. a 30% chance doesn't mean "Oh he loses". It means its really close. Its almost like people cant understand probability.
So if Obamacare is popular by huge margins in California, NY and Illinois, the GOP has no concerns.
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there is a LOT more to it. But yes-it was a big giveaway in many ways. Took United Healthcare stock from $17 in 2008 to $176 or so today. And it was the only way to get it passed. The Republicans refused to help, so they needed ALL of the democrats. And that came with a price. But it did slow down the rate increases, while insuring a LOT more people.
Says you. We were told we were going to save $2500. Lie after lie after lie.
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Thats kind of my point. Its so ridiculous that comedy shows like to show people it.
And it's meaningless.
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this is a foolish argument. I'm disappointed in you. You've been listening to too much propaganda
Guess what? I paid for birth control before the ACA. My works plan covered it. Thats the POINT of having large groups in it. Everyone at my work paid the same amount, and it covered everything from viagra for the old folks, to birth control for the young ones. Its how insurance generally works for most folks.
How it generally works for large groups is irrelevant to the couple that has to buy their own. Or the 20 year old knowing the risks and accepting catastrophic coverage because that is what he can afford.
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