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Old 01-03-2017, 08:59 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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Thanks. It's a little nerve-wracking watching the drama unfold. We have enough squirreled away to make our COBRA payment for as long as the program is available. It's what comes after that worries me.

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Old 01-03-2017, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Originally Posted by WaldoKitty View Post
Obamacare will soon be history. New Senate wastes no time in getting ready to gut Obamacare.

US Senate formally begins process to repeal Obamacare. Looks as if the Democrats won't be able to do much about it.
Unfortunately for Dems, given that Republicans will control all three branches of government in about 17 days and only a simple majority vote will be required to repeal the law in the Senate through the reconciliation process, they're pretty much powerless.
Sure. Democrats have turned themselves into a regional fringe party. They no longer have any national power to accomplish anything.

Senate Begins Process To Repeal Obamacare | Zero Hedge

New Senate Sworn In, Immediately Go After Obamacare
Frankly, it cannot happen soon enough.

All those people in Appalachia who voted for Trump are going to lose the special black lung benefit$ they were receiving under ACA. The Dems can't do a thing about it.

Go ahead and repeal Obamacare. The Dems have no power to do anything.

So, it falls on the Republicans to do wonderful things. Just like Trump promised: "replace Obamacare with something beautiful and terrific ".

Chop, chop.
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Old 01-03-2017, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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A lot of Trump's base only have health insurance through Obamacare. These folks who voted against their own self interests are in for a BIG surprise. Case in point is Clay County, Kentucky where 87% voted for Trump.
Hey, you can't fix stupid.

But, they're fine with it.
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Old 01-03-2017, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Decriminalizing the unlicensed trade in medicine and medical technology does not mean no prosecution for deliberate injury to another. Frankly, a "snake oil salesmen" who injures or kills another should be criminally prosecuted.

However, incompetent government prefers abolishing liberty via licensing rather than pursue and prosecute criminals. That way, it can claim it's doing "something" but really doesn't solve the problem.

And licensing is no guarantee that the physician is competent and capable, or remains so. Else why would there be malpractice suits?

THE AMA SCAM

http://pjmedia.com/blog/medical-licensing-laws/
Gangsters In Medicine

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BTW - physician scarcity was a DELIBERATE plan to boost wages of physicians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexner_Report

Flexner sought to shrink the number of medical schools in the USA...
In 1904, there were 160 M.D. granting institutions with more than 28,000 students. By 1920, there were only 85 M.D. granting institutions, educating only 13,800 students.

By 1935, there were only 66 medical schools operating in the USA.
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Each state branch of the American Medical Association has oversight over the conventional medical schools located within the state.
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One of the consequences of Flexner's advocacy of university-based medical education was that medical education became much more expensive, putting such education out of reach of all but upper-class white males.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_school

In the nineteenth century, there were over four hundred medical schools in the United States. By 1910, the number was reduced to one hundred and forty-eight medical schools and by 1930 the number totaled only seventy-six.

By 1935, there were only 66 medical schools operating in the USA.


In 2010, the Association of American Medical Colleges and American Association of Colleges of Osteopathic Medicine listed 133 accredited MD-granting and 28 accredited DO-granting medical schools in the United States, respectively.

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Countries Compared by Health > Physicians > Per 1,000 people. International Statistics at NationMaster.com
Physicians per capita

USA ranks 52nd - 2.3 per 1,000 people
Belarus has over twice as many - 4.55 per 1,000 people
Cuba is ranked #2 - 5.91 per 1,000 people - almost THREE TIMES as many physicians per capita as the USA. Which might explain how Cuba can provide more inexpensive health care to more people.


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BEFORE MEDDLING : 400+ medical schools
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AFTER MEDDLING : 141 medical schools currently recognized by the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC)

(Yet America’s population quadrupled between 1900 and 2000. We should have at least 600 medical schools, to churn out a surplus of care givers.)
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And people still wonder why medical care is so expensive and that physicians are scarce and in demand?

"Thank you, sir, may I have another?"

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Most of the 400 so-called medical school before Flexner were sub-standard diploma mills, nothing more. And so were many of the 148 that existed in 1910.
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Old 01-03-2017, 10:09 PM
 
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A whole lot of people who voted for Trump didn't think this through very well, did they ? When they start having problems getting insurance because of pre-existing conditions and when their claims are denied because they reached a ceiling limit , they are going to go OOOOOPS !

The Republicans have never looked out for the little people, and with Trump at the helm, it will be even more cut throat. But that is good business, isn't it ?
They are already regretting it. Far too many were under the impression that somehow the repeal only effects people poorer than them. Aka, "the lazy losers getting everything for doing nothing," not themselves.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.74b02c7b013b

http://www.vox.com/2016/12/13/139018...surance-repeal

https://www.theblackloop.com/2016/12...eep-obamacare/

Others who didn’t take Trump literally may soon face the same dilemma. The Urban Institute estimated this month that under the partial repeal plan previously passed by Republicans in Congress, 30 million people would lose insurance, 82 percent of them would be in working families and 56 percent would be white. Among adults who would lose insurance, 80 percent don’t have college degrees.

“The people hit the hardest are a lot of the demographics that went heavily for Trump,” observes Bob Greenstein
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Old 01-03-2017, 11:30 PM
 
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Contrary to what you may have heard from the "mainstream" media, they do have a plan to transition from Obamacare. I believe it was at Heritage that I read how they planned to do it.
You mean the right wing group that originally proposed a mandate that the delusional right wing later claimed was the most left wing solution ever, has a way to transition from it? Who would have guessed.

A lesson fo
r actual "left" leaning politicians. Learn from Obama. Don't waste time, political capital, and large majorities in Congress trying to reach across the isle to a ideology that has no intention of ever attempting to work with you. If Obama wasn't so naive in 2009 and fought like LBJ would have, we would have an ACTUAL left leaning healthcare bill solution that summer, and could have moved on like the adults the country was suppose to be, and ANY talk of repeal would be laughed at. No bull**** mandates, no fear of companies using it as an excuse to move full time employees to "part time" (couple hours short of full time) employees, and NO handing business to these piece of s***, scumbag insurance companies who spent the last few decades using every out they could to f*** over people. A public option would have done all that, and dispelled with any talk of the government doing a full fledged takeover like single payer. Not that both the delusional right wing wouldn't have claimed it was.
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Old 01-04-2017, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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The Republicans are rather screwed if they don't have a replacement plan in place. They would be much better off fixing Obamacare in someway rather than fully replacing it like their plan is.
Exactly. This is a great opportunity for the two parties to actually work together on something that America really needs fixed. I happen to think Obama did the right thing with ACA but I also believe it needs some fixing. So rather than all this rhetoric about repealing it, just get together and fix the things that are most broken.
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Old 01-04-2017, 01:01 AM
 
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Exactly. This is a great opportunity for the two parties to actually work together on something that America really needs fixed. I happen to think Obama did the right thing with ACA but I also believe it needs some fixing. So rather than all this rhetoric about repealing it, just get together and fix the things that are most broken.
That's what should have happened from the beginning! This was originally a Republican plan and any replacement plan is going to look questionably similar (they will just cut some of the benefits and exclude more people). We could have worked together to fix the problems, kept the benefits and gave Americans real options and access to health insurance. Simply encouraging people to sign up rather than making it seem like anyone who enrolled was saying yes to communism would have kept premiums lower. Thousands, if not millions of people never even looked at the exchanges and chose the tax because their Republican leaders told them that was the "proper American" thing to do.

I give high praise to the Democrats for even attempting to reform health insurance, this was absolutely needed reform. The Rs still don't have any real plan to put in place, that says a lot. If we left it up to them, we would go back to the nighmare where only healthy people could get insurance if their employer couldn't afford to cover them.

From 1993-2006 I was responsible for buying the yearly HI plan for my company. Every single year I saw 20,30 even 50% increases. Partison hacks can blame the ACA all they want, but ever increasing premiums have been the way since the 90s (at least) and repealing the ACA won't change that one bit. The best thing we could do for US business is separate health coverage from employment. Create some form of nationalized insurance or care and we will see business and wages rise dramatically. Most people, especially the healthy would do much better taking that money as wages while buying their own insurance and as long as we have proper regulations in place no one would suffer to much, even the very sick.
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Old 01-04-2017, 01:03 AM
 
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Originally Posted by WaldoKitty View Post
Obamacare will soon be history. New Senate wastes no time in getting ready to gut Obamacare.

US Senate formally begins process to repeal Obamacare. Looks as if the Democrats won't be able to do much about it.
Unfortunately for Dems, given that Republicans will control all three branches of government in about 17 days and only a simple majority vote will be required to repeal the law in the Senate through the reconciliation process, they're pretty much powerless.
Sure. Democrats have turned themselves into a regional fringe party. They no longer have any national power to accomplish anything.

Senate Begins Process To Repeal Obamacare | Zero Hedge

New Senate Sworn In, Immediately Go After Obamacare
That is great news, 20 million Americans will lose insurance, and millions of elderly people will finally be without any health insurance. Great days for America are coming.
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Old 01-04-2017, 01:59 AM
 
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LOL you are seriously delusional. If your party does half the things they say the want to do, they'll be toast in 2018. So, enjoy your two years. It'll be gone before you know it. Cheers!
My Party?

Dear I was a Democrat, now an Independent. Here's a tip, the world isn't just a binary choice.

Here's a second tip. The topic isn't about WaldoKitty.
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