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You complain alot but you have no counter arguments, just endless personal attacks. Could it be that it is really difficult for ordinary people to defend such a broken health care system that we have in America?
You complain alot but you have no counter arguments, just endless personal attacks. Could it be that it is really difficult for ordinary people to defend such a broken health care system that we have in America?
Let's compare our start dates and post counts. It's patently obvious who does all the complaining 'round here. I've given you the benefit of detailed conversation on this topic numerous times just to see you respond by robotically running through your same script of talking points and dramatic overlays. Trust me. Everyone here knows your opinion on this topic. For once I'd enjoy having this conversation with some others, without you puking all over it. That's a pretty reasonable request.
And by all means ... feel free to share these "endless personal attacks" I've put you through. It seems odd for you to seek out and engage someone who has "endlessly" attacked you, doesn't it?
This is the last of the attention you'll get from me. Go be a pest to someone else.
Show us some counterarguments then. Not just empty rhetoric. Where are the surveys that show single payer countries with large populations having much larger waiting times than countries with small populations. You are the one who claimed population size was a big factor in waiting times. I showed the complete opposite. You respond with personal attacks and tantrums. The fact of the matter is that you cant defend your positions and just run away.
My takeaway from this thread is how lucky I am to have a great healthcare plan. I can get into my primary care center, and usually to my own specific doctor, within a couple hours. If the appointment runs early enough in the day, I can get diagnostic tests like x-rays, ultrasound, and even an MRI done the same day. I've never waited more than a couple days to get into a specialist. I went to the ER five weeks ago at around 6 in the morning with severe abdominal pain and had my gallbladder removed within four hours. I had a private room afterward.
Good healthcare isn't cheap. My husband's employer offers our great plan as a generous benefit but our premiums, copays, and deductibles have skyrocketed ridiculously since ACA. Our tax bracket puts us in a premium money-grab bullseye. Despite the rising costs, I despise the thought of single payer insurance. The delays in receiving care that I see people talking about here will be a walk in the park compared to a government-run system attempting to manage the care of 350 million people. We can't even take decent care of our Vets in this country. Anyone who believes it's possible for the ENTIRE population of the U.S. to receive high-quality single-payer healthcare is just daffy as hell.
My takeaway from your post is that I'm lucky to live in a country with UHC.
I see my actual doctor same day/next day (depending on when I call), can get pathology done right after the appointment, X-ray/ultrasound same/next day. MRI (& these aren't given out like lollies) within a couple of days. The cost is $35 as I choose to see a private doctor
I've never waited more than a few days to see a specialist either.
I could change jobs tomorrow and none of that changes. I wouldn't even think of healthcare if I changed jobs, or moved states.
In Australia the states manage the health system. The funding is federal. It's not like the federal government is managing the entire nations health.
My takeaway from your post is that I'm lucky to live in a country with UHC.
I see my actual doctor same day/next day (depending on when I call), can get pathology done right after the appointment, X-ray/ultrasound same/next day. MRI (& these aren't given out like lollies) within a couple of days. The cost is $35 as I choose to see a private doctor
I've never waited more than a few days to see a specialist either.
I could change jobs tomorrow and none of that changes. I wouldn't even think of healthcare if I changed jobs, or moved states.
In Australia the states manage the health system. The funding is federal. It's not like the federal government is managing the entire nations health.
My sister is an Australian citizen living in Victoria. She has a heart defect and while getting the services she needs can sometimes be frustrating and slow, she gets what she needs. The point of my original post was that people will undoubtedly have different opinions of their country's healthcare options based on their personal experience using it. You will get differing pros/cons from everybody. As an example, you are happy with your plan in Australia, and I am happy with my plan in the U.S. We're both blessed. I expect you'd be as reluctant to see your system changed as I am mine.
Where the difference lies is the belief of so many that state-run plans like those in Oz or Canada, with populations of 25 and 36 million respectively, are viable as a federal-run program here in the US for over 350 million. I don't believe it's at all possible to achieve here.
My sister is an Australian citizen living in Victoria. She has a heart defect and while getting the services she needs can sometimes be frustrating and slow, she gets what she needs. The point of my original post was that people will undoubtedly have different opinions of their country's healthcare options based on their personal experience using it. You will get differing pros/cons from everybody. As an example, you are happy with your plan in Australia, and I am happy with my plan in the U.S. We're both blessed. I expect you'd be as reluctant to see that system changed as I am.
Where the difference lies is the belief of so many that state-run plans like those in Oz or Canada, with populations of 25 and 36 million respectively, are viable as a federal-run program here in the US for over 350 million. I don't believe it's at all possible to achieve here.
UHC in the US would likely be decentralized, so it probably wouldn't be run at a federal level anyway.
My sister is an Australian citizen living in Victoria. She has a heart defect and while getting the services she needs can sometimes be frustrating and slow, she gets what she needs. The point of my original post was that people will undoubtedly have different opinions of their country's healthcare options based on their personal experience using it. You will get differing pros/cons from everybody. As an example, you are happy with your plan in Australia, and I am happy with my plan in the U.S. We're both blessed. I expect you'd be as reluctant to see your system changed as I am mine.
Where the difference lies is the belief of so many that state-run plans like those in Oz or Canada, with populations of 25 and 36 million respectively, are viable as a federal-run program here in the US for over 350 million. I don't believe it's at all possible to achieve here.
That's just because you're used to a culture of failure.
UHC in the US would likely be decentralized, so it probably wouldn't be run at a federal level anyway.
I live in Texas: population 28 million people. One of fifty states, with three million more people than the entire country of Australia, and only eight million less than all of Canada. Even a state-run plan here would be nothing short of disaster for those of us used to and in preference of private care ... particularly here in Texas, with an extraordinarily high number of illegal aliens already squeezing our public services dry.
Single payer Medicare is so popular it will lead to revolts if the GOP gut it like some people in here wants to do. If the American people ever got to taste Medicare-for-all, it would be so wildly popular it would be impossible to campaign against. Thats why Paul Ryan and co are doing everything they can to prevent such a nightmare from happening. Paul Ryan stated that one of the main reasons for having a privatized health care system through employment is that it makes workers insecure and desperate because they are chained to their employer. It was very revealing how these people think.
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